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Old 05-21-2011, 05:01 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I've seen some crazy shit on this site, but poking fun at a guy for answering a question in an optimistic way... this takes the cake. Go out and do something productive, and stop being little bitches.
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Old 05-21-2011, 05:31 PM   #22 (permalink)
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If the guy you want to draft would be a hard sell to fans at 3, but an easier sell at 5, it might be a good thing to be drafting at 5.

Maybe BC and the draft team really don't like Kanter or Knight. Then drafting at 5 makes their choice much easier.

Some teams feel like they're forced to draft on hype, just so their fans don't lynch them, even if they don't like the player.
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Old 05-21-2011, 05:33 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Some teams feel like they're forced to draft on hype, just so their fans don't lynch them, even if they don't like the player.

And then he doesn't pan out and they lynch him anyway. Can't win as a GM. Perfect example, let's say we take Knight @ #5, then Leonard is taken at 6 or 7 and ends up lighting up the league while Knight struggles. What do you think would happen, even though most would be happy on draft night to get Knight?
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Old 05-21-2011, 06:19 PM   #24 (permalink)
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And then he doesn't pan out and they lynch him anyway. Can't win as a GM. Perfect example, let's say we take Knight @ #5, then Leonard is taken at 6 or 7 and ends up lighting up the league while Knight struggles. What do you think would happen, even though most would be happy on draft night to get Knight?
so then basically you have to hope the hyped player is hyped up for a reason. thats the only way to NOT get lynched lol. sucks being a gm. wait nvm, i forgot about the salary
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Old 05-21-2011, 09:30 PM   #25 (permalink)
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And then he doesn't pan out and they lynch him anyway. Can't win as a GM. Perfect example, let's say we take Knight @ #5, then Leonard is taken at 6 or 7 and ends up lighting up the league while Knight struggles. What do you think would happen, even though most would be happy on draft night to get Knight?
Yup, very tough job. But hey, that's why they get paid the big bucks. And hey, if he turns out the better player, it's a win-win for BC.
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Old 05-21-2011, 09:51 PM   #26 (permalink)
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right now many mock drafts have us picking up a project centre from Lithuania at 5. I say NOOOOOOOOOOO!!! not another project . The draft is weak but San Antonio gets it done every year. As for BC he feels more comfortable screwing up at 5 than at 3, hey look at what he did with the number 1 pick when he had it....he screwed up.
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Old 05-21-2011, 09:57 PM   #27 (permalink)
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right now many mock drafts have us picking up a project centre from Lithuania at 5. I say NOOOOOOOOOOO!!! not another project . The draft is weak but San Antonio gets it done every year. As for BC he feels more comfortable screwing up at 5 than at 3, hey look at what he did with the number 1 pick when he had it....he screwed up.
One of Walker or Knight should be available at #5 and if so i can't see why we wouldn't take either of them. BC has mentioned Leonard a couple times, he intrigues me as well. I agree, no project bigs please.
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Old 05-21-2011, 09:59 PM   #28 (permalink)
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I'm not a Bargnani fan, but I thought BC made the right decision at that time.

LaMarcus Aldridge would add redudancy (Bosh). Several of the next top 5 picks turned out to be busts: Adam Morrison and Shelden Williams. Tyrus Thomas is a bench role player in Charlotte. Roy was not picked unit 6, and not has bad knees and may have an early retirement. Rudy Gay was at 8, and Rondo was at 21.
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Old 05-21-2011, 10:37 PM   #29 (permalink)
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I'm not sold on walker or knight, but I'm willing to take the chance and more than happy to be wrong, I do like leonard. In contrast I NEVER liked the Bargs pick, I wasn't willing to take the chance, because like Dennis Green said he is what we thought he was, and that is a third option (AT BEST) or a good off the bench scorer on a legitimate contender. With Aldridge, we could have moved Bosh for something concrete, the same could be said for Roy, because his injury only really started to effect him after his first contract was up. Rondo, Millsap etc were both reaches at 1 but are both better players, not to mention he could traded the pick.
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Old 05-21-2011, 10:38 PM   #30 (permalink)
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oh yeah of course Rudy Gay
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Old 05-21-2011, 10:46 PM   #31 (permalink)
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I'm not a Bargnani fan, but I thought BC made the right decision at that time.

LaMarcus Aldridge would add redudancy (Bosh). Several of the next top 5 picks turned out to be busts: Adam Morrison and Shelden Williams. Tyrus Thomas is a bench role player in Charlotte. Roy was not picked unit 6, and not has bad knees and may have an early retirement. Rudy Gay was at 8, and Rondo was at 21.
and speaking about redudancy we had at least 3 4's (evans, johnson, bargs) BEFORE we drafted davis, not to mention dorsey, anderson and maybe even alabi that we got knowing we drafted davis. That's real redundacy.
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Old 05-21-2011, 11:18 PM   #32 (permalink)
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and speaking about redudancy we had at least 3 4's (evans, johnson, bargs) BEFORE we drafted davis, not to mention dorsey, anderson and maybe even alabi that we got knowing we drafted davis. That's real redundacy.
With Johnson, Evans, Ajinca as our 4 I'd have drafted Davis too.
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Old 05-22-2011, 12:06 AM   #33 (permalink)
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I don't know what exactly he is trying to do, but in fact 3rd pick doesn't promise a better player than the player who will be picked 5th.
I have a lot of questions marks when it comes to manage the team and decisions that I had made, but one thing for sure, BC knows how to draft regardless.
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Old 05-22-2011, 12:18 AM   #34 (permalink)
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I don't know what exactly he is trying to do, but in fact 3rd pick doesn't promise a better player than the player who will be picked 5th.
I have a lot of questions marks when it comes to manage the team and decisions that I had made, but one thing for sure, BC knows how to draft regardless.
what about Barg??? that was a bad pick, he does better with lower picks (ie. derozen)
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Old 05-22-2011, 01:02 AM   #35 (permalink)
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It's simply better to have the third pick. But thinking otherwise could be a real bonus when it comes to tanking. Now when they win it will still be nice to think that they will be putting themselves in a better position by increasing their chances of picking later in the draft. Gives it a nice twist.
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Old 05-22-2011, 01:49 AM   #36 (permalink)
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Actually, I interpreted his comments to mean that at #3, you would be compelled to go with a consensus choice as someone who might be a franchise player, but who might also flop. At #5, you have more flexibility to either trade down, or pick someone who is less high risk and fills a defined need. Examples might be players like Biyombo or Kawhi Leonard. It would be difficult for a GM to pick them at #3, but if you really like them, you could take them at #5 or trade down a bit and take them.
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Old 05-22-2011, 03:30 AM   #37 (permalink)
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I feel like this is making an issue out of nothing. He was asked if the 5th pick might be better than the 3rd. He said that there was a silver lining, which to me implies that getting the 3rd pick was preferable (does he ever say otherwise?) but getting the 5th pick isn't a big loss. He goes on to explain what he means by a silver lining. I don't have a problem with that.
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Old 05-22-2011, 10:55 AM   #38 (permalink)
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Actually, I interpreted his comments to mean that at #3, you would be compelled to go with a consensus choice as someone who might be a franchise player, but who might also flop. At #5, you have more flexibility to either trade down, or pick someone who is less high risk and fills a defined need. Examples might be players like Biyombo or Kawhi Leonard. It would be difficult for a GM to pick them at #3, but if you really like them, you could take them at #5 or trade down a bit and take them.
I agree, and that is what bothers me. At three he has more choices. If he feels he needs his choices narrowed down in order to go with the player that he thinks would be most suitable, and in order to stay away from the player that might be the popular but wrong choice, then what does that say about his abilities? Of course there is truth in the amount of cover he has increasing now, but that in no way should mean that we actually end up with the player at five, that we would want but not pick at three. Not unless selling is entirely what he is about.

So either he is vocalizing thoughts about a silver lining that only represents a benefit to himself and his career, and not the fortunes of the team; or he is providing some indication that his choices are steered primarily by salesmanship. Yuck on both accounts.
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Old 05-22-2011, 05:27 PM   #39 (permalink)
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I think Brian is talking about the draft in terms of tiers as outlined in this Raptors Republic article (LINK). There's no tier 1 or tier 2 guys, there's only two tier 3 guys, and then there's a handful of tier 4 players, etc...

I thought the "we are saving money on salary since picks 3 to 8 are all roughly the same talent level" argument a bit laughable, but whatever. He is a salesman, and the MLSE sale is probably influencing him to spin things in a way that appeals to accountants.

I'm watching season 4 of Mad Men, so BC reminds me of Don Draper.
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Old 05-22-2011, 08:01 PM   #40 (permalink)
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He exhausted himself justifying the results of floating ping pong balls.

Why couldn't he say, "it's too bad we dropped down two spots, but their are a lot of players in the draft we like." Or, it's two bad we dropped two spots, we might not get the guy we had our eyes on".

Instead B.C. is "still explaining things".
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