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Old 10-14-2012, 11:20 PM   #161 (permalink)
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This is why I've had this message under my name since the draft. And I said this:


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Now that I've calmed down, I'll say I like Ross' game. I'll support him.

But I just cant believe we passed on a potential talent like Drummond. He has all of the tools to be great. Ross doesn't. We have good coaching now with pretty good young talent, why not take the risk?
And many other posts like it in the draft threads.

I saw this video, and the other parts when it came out:


And I immediately thought he was a lock for a top 3 spot when eligible. Not only is he super athletic, but hes quick, skilled, and fluid with his movement. All this talk about his lack of bball IQ and skill was a bunch of bullshit. The guy makes quick moves like a guard, has a decent midrange game which he hasnt had a chance to show yet, but his touch is unquestioned. And anyone who can make those kind of passes off the dribble at 6'10 is extremely skilled.

I watched him in college too and thought the same thing. Although he struggled a bit, his game is perfect for the NBA which is more of a free flowing game, and gives more talented players more room to operate and more of an opportunity to show their skill level.

I know its sometimes crazy to base opinions off of mixtapes and videos without watching the player a lot in game, but there are a lot of smaller things you can catch that show what kind of player someone is going to become. The fluidity of the moves, the footwork, touch, feel for the game etc. Combine all that with Drummonds vertical and quickness and you have a monster center in the making.

This is why I was so pissed. BC shit the bed again.

And yes, I know its preseason and all that. But you can see Drummond is going to be a monster in 2-3 years, and is going to make an impact this year with the opportunity hes going to get with Detroits lack of bigs combined with his stellar showings so far.
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Old 10-14-2012, 11:39 PM   #162 (permalink)
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Old 10-14-2012, 11:40 PM   #163 (permalink)
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Old 10-14-2012, 11:55 PM   #164 (permalink)
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Just for that, you guys aren't allowed on the Terrence Ross bandwagon.
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Old 10-14-2012, 11:58 PM   #165 (permalink)
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I still like Ross, but Drummond is going to be a game changer. Still cant believe how bad some of these GMs are to pass on the guy. The first 3 picks, ok because they got some great talent, but after that, comeon. Irving/Drummond would have been unreal.
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Old 10-15-2012, 12:04 AM   #166 (permalink)
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Why is BC getting blamed for not picking this stiff? Pretty sure Drummond went number 9 for a reason, fellas. There were 7 other GM's that passed on him too, BC wasn't the only one.

Look, the NBA Draft is a diligent process. Teams don't just show up and pick a name out of a hat. There is months and months of scouting involved, of getting to know each and every player. When it all came down to it, our scouts didn't think Drummond was the right pick. Maybe they're right, maybe they're wrong, but I think I'll trust an NBA scout over some messageboard GM's anyday.

And for those of you who are crying over Drummond, I've got two words for you: Jonas Valanciunas.
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Old 10-15-2012, 12:11 AM   #167 (permalink)
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Why is BC getting blamed for not picking this stiff? Pretty sure Drummond went number 9 for a reason, fellas. There were 7 other GM's that passed on him too, BC wasn't the only one.

Look, the NBA Draft is a diligent process. Teams don't just show up and pick a name out of a hat. There is months and months of scouting involved, of getting to know each and every player. When it all came down to it, our scouts didn't think Drummond was the right pick. Maybe they're right, maybe they're wrong, but I think I'll trust an NBA scout over some messageboard GM's anyday.

And for those of you who are crying over Drummond, I've got two words for you: Jonas Valanciunas.
NBA GMs make mistakes all the time... that's how guys like Carlos Boozer, Paul Milsap and Michael Redd end up going in the second round.

And I like JV quite a bit.... but I'd have liked Drummond and JV A LOT more....
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Old 10-15-2012, 12:16 AM   #168 (permalink)
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NBA GMs make mistakes all the time... that's how guys like Carlos Boozer, Paul Milsap and Michael Redd end up going in the second round.

And I like JV quite a bit.... but I'd have liked Drummond and JV A LOT more....
Alright that's fair, but still I'd hate to doubt BC and Co's decision making so quickly. Although Drummond does look nice, I think JV will be just as good, as does Ross.

And not sure how JV and Drummond would've worked out together as both are more centers than power forward. Who do you see at which position?
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Old 10-15-2012, 12:23 AM   #169 (permalink)
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what BC was criticized for at the draft, and should still be criticized for now is for not maximizing on the potential asset dummond would eventually become. it wouldn't have matter if he was part of our longterm plans or not, he didn't play the draft, he just played for his selection. not sure how familiar you are with the NFL, but if you were to watch how the patriots played the draft, you'd see what i'm talking about.
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what BC was criticized for at the draft, and should still be criticized for now is for not maximizing on the potential asset dummond would eventually become. it wouldn't have matter if he was part of our longterm plans or not, he didn't play the draft, he just played for his selection. not sure how familiar you are with the NFL, but if you were to watch how the patriots played the draft, you'd see what i'm talking about.
Hindsight. What if Drummond turns out to be a flop, therefore no trade value? BC is now stuck with two rookie bigmen to try and ease into the NBA game. That's a lot to ask for one coaching staff.

In his last year of his contract, BC wants to make this team a winning club. Drummond was just too big of a gamble for a man in his position to make. Ross was a solid pick, let's not dwell too much.
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Old 10-15-2012, 12:33 AM   #171 (permalink)
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Alright that's fair, but still I'd hate to doubt BC and Co's decision making so quickly. Although Drummond does look nice, I think JV will be just as good, as does Ross.

And not sure how JV and Drummond would've worked out together as both are more centers than power forward. Who do you see at which position?
Just building on what Jackson said above..... you take Drummond and work the rest out later. Even a rotation of JV, Bargs and Drummond could have worked incredibly well.

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Hindsight. What if Drummond turns out to be a flop, therefore no trade value? BC is now stuck with two rookie bigmen to try and ease into the NBA game. That's a lot to ask for one coaching staff.

In his last year of his contract, BC wants to make this team a winning club. Drummond was just too big of a gamble for a man in his position to make. Ross was a solid pick, let's not dwell too much.
If BC passed on Drummond just to "play it safe" and save his own ass then I hope to God we don't resign him.

How was Drummond a major risk? He didn't have injury concerns like Oden... he wasn't a headcase like Cousins.... he wasn't fat like Curry.... and he wasn't a stiff like so many bigs coming into the league.

BC whiffed on this one... plain & simple.

How much do wanna bet that if Drummond was a euro he'd have been drafted by us? lol...

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Drummond had a shit year on a team that didn't even make the tournament. He had motor issues going into the Draft, from what I remember. Doesn't have a post-game, and his free throw shooting was suspect to say the least. Drummond is raw. Hardly a "safe" pick.
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How much do wanna bet that if Drummond was a euro he'd have been drafted by us? lol...
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Old 10-15-2012, 01:13 AM   #174 (permalink)
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Drummond had a shit year on a team that didn't even make the tournament. He had motor issues going into the Draft, from what I remember. Doesn't have a post-game, and his free throw shooting was suspect to say the least. Drummond is raw. Hardly a "safe" pick.
How many bigs come into the league polished like Tim Duncan?

Drummond's a young kid with HUGE upside. If he's athletic and doesn't have any physical ailments or attitude issues you just don't pass on the guy. Not when he could be solid at worst and an absolute gamechanger/franchise-saver at best.

Ross is far from a finished product as well... let's not kid ourselves here.
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^he was reported as having attitude problems...like tryna do some fancy dribble moves and fadeaways in games lol. But i agree he has superstar potential written all over him even if he develops later (like a better Bynum) but its all up to him
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Old 10-15-2012, 02:56 AM   #176 (permalink)
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Why is BC getting blamed for not picking this stiff? Pretty sure Drummond went number 9 for a reason, fellas. There were 7 other GM's that passed on him too, BC wasn't the only one.

Look, the NBA Draft is a diligent process. Teams don't just show up and pick a name out of a hat. There is months and months of scouting involved, of getting to know each and every player. When it all came down to it, our scouts didn't think Drummond was the right pick. Maybe they're right, maybe they're wrong, but I think I'll trust an NBA scout over some messageboard GM's anyday.

And for those of you who are crying over Drummond, I've got two words for you: Jonas Valanciunas.
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Hindsight. What if Drummond turns out to be a flop, therefore no trade value? BC is now stuck with two rookie bigmen to try and ease into the NBA game. That's a lot to ask for one coaching staff.

In his last year of his contract, BC wants to make this team a winning club. Drummond was just too big of a gamble for a man in his position to make. Ross was a solid pick, let's not dwell too much.
Drummond was not a gamble period. He didnt have as good a college season as most people would like.
& the coaching staff can eat a dick if they can't easy 2 skill bigs into the nba!
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Yeah I heard the kid doesn't have a good motor and doesn't really have the intensity or killer competitive gene that a lot of great players have. I think Jonas has that, or so I've heard from our Raptors staff and players. We don't need any more players who take it easy. The guy is doing great, but in PRE-SEASON.
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Yeah I heard the kid doesn't have a good motor and doesn't really have the intensity or killer competitive gene that a lot of great players have. I think Jonas has that, or so I've heard from our Raptors staff and players. We don't need any more players who take it easy. The guy is doing great, but in PRE-SEASON.
That's crap IMO... maybe if you're drafting a swingman you look at that... but not when you're looking at a near 7ft 280lb monster.

Bargs tested out great in all the pre-draft personality tests and look HIS "motor" and "intensity"... still looking for it after 6 years.
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Hindsight. What if Drummond turns out to be a flop, therefore no trade value? BC is now stuck with two rookie bigmen to try and ease into the NBA game. That's a lot to ask for one coaching staff.

In his last year of his contract, BC wants to make this team a winning club. Drummond was just too big of a gamble for a man in his position to make. Ross was a solid pick, let's not dwell too much.
ok kid, i am nice to you lways.... but not on this one. Hindsight??????? there was a core of us that lost our shit that he wasnt drafter. I was at the raptor draft party and saw this kid fall to us and was loopy crazy happy...when I heard the name ross i almost punched some kid bes8de me I was so mad...cuda had to calm me down but stripping naked and doing a dance.....

so no bud, you arent right. our GM fucked this one up...as did 6-7 others..... its a gamble
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Drummond had a shit year on a team that didn't even make the tournament. He had motor issues going into the Draft, from what I remember. Doesn't have a post-game, and his free throw shooting was suspect to say the least. Drummond is raw. Hardly a "safe" pick.
not a safe pick....the right pick. here me now, i thoght it in the spring, I think it now. he's better than the number one pick...davis.
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