Drafting Avery Bradley will be the end of Jarret Jack
Old 06-14-2010, 09:39 AM   #1 (permalink)
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The draft is on the horizon and Draft Express has finally caught on to what Steve said ages ago about the Raptors picking Avery Bradley. Without having seen much of the player, my opinion means little, but if the man brings speed and explosiveness to the point of attack, then itís a good move even though the big man position is of concern right now. The Raptors basically need a player who has TJ Fordís speed and explosiveness without the rest of TJ Fordís game. The change of speed him and Calderon provided during their lone successful year was what made the Raptors tick as a team; unfortunately, the GM didnít see that and felt that just by promoting Calderon he could extrapolate what Calderon did as a bench player to starter minutes, with that in mind he left the backup PG duties in the hands of Will Solomon and that was the beginning of the end.
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Why does it necessarily mean the end of Jarrett Jack?
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ok I just read the rest and I still don't get it. The idea seems to be that Bradley should be starting. So what? Jack can come off the bench. Granted Jose could as well, but he was signed as a starter and is going to be looking to be a starter. They could always trade both Jack and Calderon, and use Banks. I'd be fine with that. Nevertheless, I'd say Jack provides all kinds of flexibility, and hardly gets tossed aside if Bradley gets picked.
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Jack sucks.

if bradley is drafyed having 1 pg whoo cant facilitate an offense on a team is enough. keep jose trade jj
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ok I just read the rest and I still don't get it. The idea seems to be that Bradley should be starting. So what? Jack can come off the bench. Granted Jose could as well, but he was signed as a starter and is going to be looking to be a starter. They could always trade both Jack and Calderon, and use Banks. I'd be fine with that. Nevertheless, I'd say Jack provides all kinds of flexibility, and hardly gets tossed aside if Bradley gets picked.
I was thinking the same thing. He and Jack would be making a combined 7Mil/yr, which is amazing imo. Trade Jose & Banks (probably seperately) and you have a pretty decent tandom imo and it's at a good price which equals flexability!
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Jack sucks.

if bradley is drafyed having 1 pg whoo cant facilitate an offense on a team is enough. keep jose trade jj
So you'd have Jose coming off the bench? I only see that creating the same problem as last season.

Or do you have Jose starting? I only see that creating another of the big problems from last season.

Thanks for the in depth analysis. Let me add this. Jose blows.
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Jack sucks.

if bradley is drafyed having 1 pg whoo cant facilitate an offense on a team is enough. keep jose trade jj
Let me get this straight. Our 2 best players last season (Bosh/Jack) and you hate both? Why am I not the least bit surprised. Lol. BTW, like LX said....Jose blows!
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Jose needs to leave !
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I like Jack, he plays better defense and cares more about winning. Watching the Finals shows the need for defense and rebounding, if we ever are going to anywhere, we need a team that plays defense & rebounds. Trade Jose and Bargnani!!!
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Let me get this straight. Our 2 best players last season (Bosh/Jack) and you hate both? Why am I not the least bit surprised. Lol. BTW, like LX said....Jose blows!
Jack second best player?

What team were you watching.

Jose's worst season and his offense was still the same (slightly better) than Jacks and his defense was a whole 1 rating point different than Jacks.

And depending on the rest of the outlok of thje team would depend on if I would have Jose start or not. for example if Bosh was gone and Turk still here I would start Bradley, if Bosh were to stay, turk gone I would start Jose.

Ideally Jose would be coming off the bench adding some stability to a potential bench lineup of Weems, Beli, Amir and a backup bigman.


And on a side note it certainly at least appears that Jose has no problems coming off the bench, it was Jack last season that wanted to start and then when he lost the starting job towards the end of the season he was the one pouting on the bench, not Jose.
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I hope we trade the pick to pick up some experience. Unless we move up into the top 5, I think the pick is up for grabs.
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Jack second best player?

What team were you watching.

Jose's worst season and his offense was still the same (slightly better) than Jacks and his defense was a whole 1 rating point different than Jacks.

And depending on the rest of the outlok of thje team would depend on if I would have Jose start or not. for example if Bosh was gone and Turk still here I would start Bradley, if Bosh were to stay, turk gone I would start Jose.

Ideally Jose would be coming off the bench adding some stability to a potential bench lineup of Weems, Beli, Amir and a backup bigman.


And on a side note it certainly at least appears that Jose has no problems coming off the bench, it was Jack last season that wanted to start and then when he lost the starting job towards the end of the season he was the one pouting on the bench, not Jose.
Jack was by far our second best player last season. He and Bosh were the main reasons we had a great run and got into 5th place once Jose went down. I remember Jack Armstrong in Jauary saying "I don't know this team would be without Jarrett Jack". And I have to agree. Between mid december and into March he help us win a lot of games and in quite a few instances he took over in 4th quaters to get us the win.
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Jose is not going to come off the bench. I think that has become quite clear. He was signed to a contract with the understanding that he would start, and the pay to back that up. So lets get real and not even throw that out there as an option.
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Jack was by far our second best player last season. He and Bosh were the main reasons we had a great run and got into 5th place once Jose went down. I remember Jack Armstrong in Jauary saying "I don't know this team would be without Jarrett Jack". And I have to agree. Between mid december and into March he help us win a lot of games and in quite a few instances he took over in 4th quaters to get us the win.
Your absolutely right, and maybe you could add Amir to that also. Jose is getting older and is allready injury prone. We have a very small window to move him for a decent piece, before he loses his effectiveness altogether . With the contract he has, when the latter happens he will be impossible to move. I believe he will be moved and especially so when Bosh is gone!

To those that think Jack should be moved instead. I ask you, if we were playing Boston right now with all their toughness, do you really think Jose would be more effective than Jack? Which one do you see having the best chance to excell in the tough, traffic area's, that are the playoffs? If you say Calderon, than you didn't watch all 82 games last season.

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Jack was by far our second best player last season. He and Bosh were the main reasons we had a great run and got into 5th place once Jose went down. I remember Jack Armstrong in Jauary saying "I don't know this team would be without Jarrett Jack". And I have to agree. Between mid december and into March he help us win a lot of games and in quite a few instances he took over in 4th quaters to get us the win.
coinicidentally when Jose was Hurt and out. And the team having no solid backup pg beyond Jack.



And Jose can come off the bench and has during basically every season since he came over for at least some of it.


And I should also add that my preference wouold be to see all current pgs off this team by the start of next season.


this whole debate is stupid anyways its like trying to decide if you would rather have a headache or a pain in your head.

Jack second best player on team last season:facepalm:
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coinicidentally when Jose was Hurt and out. And the team having no solid backup pg beyond Jack.



And Jose can come off the bench and has during basically every season since he came over for at least some of it.


And I should also add that my preference wouold be to see all current pgs off this team by the start of next season.


this whole debate is stupid anyways its like trying to decide if you would rather have a headache or a pain in your head.

Jack second best player on team last season:facepalm:
Then who was our second best player last season? It certainly wasn't Bargnani, Turkoglu, Derozan and as much as i like Weems and Amir they were less impactful overall then Jack was as far as deciding games late/4th quarter situations.
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Then who was our second best player last season? It certainly wasn't Bargnani, Turkoglu, Derozan and as much as i like Weems and Amir they were less impactful overall then Jack was as far as deciding games late/4th quarter situations.
the fact that you discredit Bargs as the second best player on the team, and still manage to place Jack above guys like Weems, Amir and even to a lesser extent Jose and Turk is....well foolish.
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the fact that you discredit Bargs as the second best player on the team, and still manage to place Jack above guys like Weems, Amir and even to a lesser extent Jose and Turk is....well foolish.
So you think that Turk, Weems, Bargs, Amir, Jose were better then Jack last season? Maybe Bargnani but he was very inconsistent!
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Snooch - you see no difference between Jose coming off the bench when coming off an injury, or when that was his role going into the season, and coming off the bench so that a rookie can get major minutes? Going into a season where the guy you signed as a starter is going to be demoted, is just insanity.

Jack was easily the best pg last season, as was evident by who was on the court at the end of games, which was usually Jack, even when Jose got his starting job back.

oops sorry - stupid debate - you must be wrong or something.
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