Donít Expect Jack To Be Content With Backup Role
Old 07-23-2009, 10:05 AM   #1 (permalink)
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There’s no denying it, bringing Jarrett Jack to the Toronto Raptors was a good move. A step in the right direction. At least that’s what the consensus seems to be. A young combo guard coming off a career high in points and rebounds. A very genuine and close relationship with the franchise Chris Bosh. What’s there not to like? When Chris himself walked into the room after Jack’s press conference, the positive vibe and mood was infectious. But lost in the midst of all the smiles, pictures, and handshakes was one small fact: Jarrett Jack expects to play.

A question I kept asking myself yesterday was “Why does the media keep assuming he will be the back-up PG”

Besides his durability and often-mentioned leadership, if there’s one thing that Jack represents, it’s that competitive spirit only found in NBA players. He comes off as one of those players who realize there’s no way to contribute while watching from the bench. If the game is on the line, he wants to be out there on the court. As laid back and professional Jarrett seemed during his presser, I felt like there was a certain swagger and confidence there. In other words: Playing time is important to Mr. Jack.

When Paul Jones of RaptorsTV asked him what was “shocking” about possibly joining the Raptors, Jack brought up the fact that Toronto seems to be locked in to Jose Calderon being their starting PG. To offset that deterrence, the Raptors were able to free up some minutes at the two with the losses of Jason Kapono and Anthony Parker. But with the addition of Antoine Wright (who averaged nearly 24 minutes on a playoff Dallas squad) and rookie DeMar DeRozan (who most expect to average at least 15-18 minutes, something similar to T-Mac’s rookie year), is there really a significant amount of minutes available at the two to be had?

Let’s say Wright proves to be more than adequate on the defensive end. Surely Toronto can afford to give him somewhere around twenty-four minutes, especially if the Mavs could. Jarrett Jack has been noted for his defense before, but I would think most teams would rather give minutes to the taller player if they’re near equal in defensive talent. And what about the intriguing USC product DeMar DeRozan? If he can even show us that he’s not as raw as people made him out to be, then the coaching staff will have no choice but to give him all the minutes he can handle.

Sure, those are a lot of “What Ifs”. But in my opinion, it just seems like too much of a gamble on Jack’s part. There are a few teams out there that would have been a better situation for a 25-year-old point guard coming off one of his best years as a pro. When you factor in the possibility of Carlos Delfino coming in, it only further makes it riskier for Jack to find those minutes everybody claims to be at the two spot.

I think it’s also important to note the fact that the two times Jack was confronted with the issue of starting, the former Pacer did not say he planned on being a reserve. In fact, when asked by Adnan Virk of RaptorsTV about whether Colangelo had gone into any specifics about his role, Jack was honest with his answer.

“He didn’t go into any specifics. I think he’s going to leave it up to coach Triano and myself.” Jack replied. “And come training camp, everybody will let the chips fall where they may.”

I think this is very telling of the situation, especially considering the previous assumption that GM Bryan Colangelo had informed Jack of his role before he proposed an offer sheet. You would think something like this would have been brought up during negotiations, especially in an attempt to avoid anything similar to what happened between Calderon and Ford. The reason why Jose and TJ didn’t work out was because they couldn’t be placed on the court at the same time. But can Jose and Jack?

“I think for a team to do well, you’ve got to have balance.” Jack said in response to a question by Doug Smith of The Toronto Star. “If I’m in the starting line-up, and you have Jose, Chris, Andrea, Hedo, those guys definitely have to get their touches and looks at the basket.”

Who’s not to say that can’t work out? It very well could. But if you were to ask me, having someone who says they’re a natural PG play the two is never a good look. Usually undersized twos earn that role and title because of their inability to play the point guard position. And it also rarely works out when you don’t have any real defensive presence at the other four positions.

At this point, let me remind the readers that all this uncertainty isn’t a bad thing for the team or its fans. In fact, it’s a great thing to have inner competition. Teams that hold themselves professionally and expect big things push each other day in and day out. The only person that should be at least a bit worried is Jose Calderon. Coming off a disappointing year plagued with injury, the Spaniard has to come out firing at all cylinders if he wants to prevent Jack (started 53 games last season) from taking over his starting spot.

The future is wide open at the moment. And in a league where the schedule is strenuous, having multiple options is a welcomed blessing. Now, it all becomes a matter of what you do with the options available. The Toronto Raptors have been dealt a pair of aces in Jose Calderon and Jarrett Jack. And as fans, we can’t wait to see where the chips fall.
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Old 07-23-2009, 10:11 AM   #2 (permalink)
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“I think for a team to do well, you’ve got to have balance.” Jack said in response to a question by Doug Smith of The Toronto Star. “If I’m in the starting line-up, and you have Jose, Chris, Andrea, Hedo, those guys definitely have to get their touches and looks at the basket.”
What he went on to say after this quote, was that if he comes off the bench, then he is going to have more freedom to take over the offense, because they are not going to have as many guys to rely upon. I thought he sounded very much like he could accept a sixth-man role. He is going to be competitive and a good leader all the same, and I would guess that he could see play at the end of games on many a night.
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Old 07-23-2009, 10:14 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Old 07-23-2009, 10:20 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I'm not sure why this is an issue. Less minutes for Jose is a good thing. And Jack is hardly an Allstar starter, this is why there's such a silly discussion to start.

People hop on an idea, not a good idea, just an idea, and if it helps them make a point, realistic or not, they use it in an argument.

i.e. "Jarrett Jack is a top tier PG who will not stand to watch a PG like Jose Calderon start in front of him".

Really?

Seriously???

Jarrett "only got the start because Tj Ford showed he simple cannot be relised upon the be a proper starting PG" Jack is going to complain when Jose " had most credible media types saying he was snubbed from the allstar game" Calderon gets starting minutes?

People keep talking about how Calderon came off a disappointing season. Did he? Did he really "disappoint". Didn't he almost set the FT record? Why? Because he didn't have to move. At what point do people stop tossing criticism that is simply unfounded and start admitting that a high quality player played hurt for an entire year. Hurt enough that he quit the one thing he REALLY cares about in the offseason. Think he quit the national squad to make Raptor fans happy?

Fact is, Calderon when healthy, which, he will be again this year, is a top fice PG in the NBA. He does everthing well, and he knows how to keep the ball moving on a team full of scoring players. Jack is a good player, but he isn't as good as calderon.

We need to stop this BS now, it's useless, and if started at grass roots levels here, on messageboards, it won't be long before idiot media guys start saying the same shit to cause a story. Lets not be a part of that.
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lets hope that jack exposes to colangelo how bad calderon's defence really is so that BC can ship him out as soon as possible. overpaying for hedo for the next 5 years who's best talent is passing and distributing so might as well use him for it

expect Calderon to start until traded so his value doesn't slip any more

Fernandez and a filler anybody???
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Old 07-23-2009, 10:30 AM   #6 (permalink)
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grannyfro how old are you, are you going to die of old age soon. You never seem to hav anything good to say about the raptors
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lets hope that jack exposes to colangelo how bad calderon's defence really is so that BC can ship him out as soon as possible. overpaying for hedo for the next 5 years who's best talent is passing and distributing so might as well use him for it

expect Calderon to start until traded so his value doesn't slip any more

Fernandez and a filler anybody???
Idiot.
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lets hope that jack exposes to colangelo how bad calderon's defence really is so that BC can ship him out as soon as possible. overpaying for hedo for the next 5 years who's best talent is passing and distributing so might as well use him for it

expect Calderon to start until traded so his value doesn't slip any more

Fernandez and a filler anybody???
no.
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I think Jay and the gang will start the best rotation this team has seen for a long long time. does it matter if Jose or JJ starts at the 1? i am not convinced there is a real issue here at all. both bring a dynamic to the floor that will translate to solid team play! that is the biggest issue. IF jay determines JC is the starter, JJ will lead the second team or play 2.. i don't see the issue at all...
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Why or how is there any debate.

This is Jose Calderon's team.
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grannyfro how old are you, are you going to die of old age soon. You never seem to hav anything good to say about the raptors
i have penty good to say about Bosh derozan and jack




turkoglu, calderon, Bargnani (at times), colangelo not so much


all overated, all recieve too much praise, i do my part to level the playing field
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haha, coming form somebody who thinks a healthy Calderon is top 5


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grannyfro, what would youhave done if you BC at the beginning of the offseason
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Every player needs to play like he's competing for a starting spot, no matter who it is. If Jack wants to play like a bench player he won't get the minutes he wants anyways. Play like you should be a starter and they'll have a tough time not giving you minutes when it counts.

It's totally possible to compete for a starting spot and be happy with a bench role at the same time. JJ knows this is Jose's team.
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this is exactly what i was saying in my thread "Jose/TJ part deux" last week.
i'm afraid of what may happen in the future with these two.
dont get me wrong, i love jose, and this is definitely jose's team... my issue is when guys (like Grannyfro for example - guys who are jose haters) come out and start calling to "bench jose"... its only a matter of time.
its impossible for an NBA player to go a full season without having some sort of slump, and when Jose has his, i can already see the horde of jose haters jumping down his ass and argueing to have JJ start.
it'll be exactly like what happened when jose and TJ were battling.
it'll start off as a whisper and end with a BOOM. haters will start, then more will join, then the mob will turn to the media, and before we know it we have a another blowout at the PG position.

listen closely, you can already hear the rumblings.
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haha, coming form somebody who thinks a healthy Calderon is top 5


ahaha
I think that Calderon is a top 5 pg when healthy too
I would take Calderon over nelson,parker and nash
the only other that i would take over Calderon are deron williams and
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I think grannyfro and ugo ferst are the same person.
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I think Jose was less than 50% most of the games he played, but his heart to win and contribute kept him on the floor... is he 'better' than nelson, nash, williams, paul? that is a very tough call as they are all playing different systems and require different talents to perform at the nba level. I think Jose is very close to an all-star level guard when healthy. that puts him in the top 3 or 4 in my opinion. JJ will contribute as he can.. he is going to work hard to make himself a starting 2 for sure as he knows Jose is king here despite what the jose haters say, it is his team...
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ugo who????
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grannyfro, what would youhave done if you BC at the beginning of the offseason
for one, i wouldnt sign turkoglu for that ridiculous contract when you need perimter defence and rebounding .

then i probably dump Calderon because i'm tired of seeing his unathletic oversized calf's getting crossed up when joses massive clumsy feet step on eachother while players go right by him

then i start laying the whip to bargnani, telling him to lose that mouthguard your a 7 footer, 5 rebounds don't cut it boy, will you ever hit the floor for a loose ball?


less white, less euro, less mouthguards, more athleticism, more toughness

thats the name of the game
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