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Old 04-08-2011, 01:14 PM   #161 (permalink)
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Sam Mitchell win percentage .452

Jay Triano's .442

And Mitchell's teams were light years better than Triano's

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Mitchell was coaching at a time when most of the east was poo
Mitchells' win % is weighted down by taking over a team that was as low as you could get. They improved to the point where they were playoff calibre. He was fired when the team was a game under 500.

Like I said, steady improvement.

Not that the point is to compare Mitchell and Triano, the point is that Bosh was achieving notoriety (and success) under Mitchell who has proven to be successful mentor for young powerforwards. The firing obvious delayed Bosh's further improvement as a player.

The "Bosh has no post game talk is all just quite idiotic really". Karl Malone was a face-up powerforward. You use what you have and for Bosh that isn't a big ass and lethal elbows.
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Old 04-08-2011, 01:18 PM   #162 (permalink)
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1. "Successful" based on what? The fact that they could MAKE the playoffs every so often and get beat? Shoot, Bosh did that for us too.

2. Lulz. So Amare and Marion were nothing but "solid role players" who benefitted from playing with Nash. OK Benzo.

3. The Nets team that had RJ and Kidd you mean (2 other all-stars)?
Thank you for proving my point, of why I didn't want to do this.

1.54-28, 50-32. I already conceded we are judging success differently

2. The 05-06 suns were 54-28. Amare played 3 games, and Marion has never been good without Nash

3. Kidd is overrated, so is RJ (and if Kidd isn't, I would like to add the 02-04 Nets to the list)

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Old 04-08-2011, 01:22 PM   #163 (permalink)
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roy hardly carried the blazers....just look at them this year. playing most of the season without him and still making the playoffs
the only players in recent memory that could single handedly carry there team to the finals or just into deep playoff runs is Lebron, AI and maybe dwight. but i would says dwight has the best supporting cash out of the three.
if you look at the philly or cavs team that made it to the finals, its unbelieveable.....thats what makes lebron and AI special players
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roy hardly carried the blazers....just look at them this year. playing most of the season without him and still making the playoffs
the only players in recent memory that could single handedly carry there team to the finals or just into deep playoff runs is Lebron, AI and maybe dwight. but i would says dwight has the best supporting cash out of the three.
if you look at the philly or cavs team that made it to the finals, its unbelieveable.....thats what makes lebron and AI special players
sigh,, thanks Torap
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Old 04-08-2011, 01:23 PM   #165 (permalink)
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I am going to assume you know that this makes no sense what so ever, the only way it would be valid, is if Barg's didn't play on the team last year, and the 2 teams were identical
Its the almost the same team (Bargnani, Calderon, Derozan, Amir Johnson, Weems, Reggie Evans) but no Bosh.

I think the supporting cast has improved. Derozan has improved drastically almost doubling his scoring average, Reggie has improved his rebounding numbers, Calderon has improved his play from last year, and good players with Ed Davis, James Johnson, and Bayless.

So its almost the same team and same coach last year, just no Bosh, it has lost 20 more games.
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Its the almost the same team (Bargnani, Calderon, Derozan, Amir Johnson, Weems, Reggie Evans) but no Bosh.

I think the supporting cast has improved. Derozan has improved drastically almost doubling his scoring average, Reggie has improved his rebounding numbers, Calderon has improved his play from last year, and good players with Ed Davis, James Johnson, and Bayless.

So its almost the same team and same coach last year, just no Bosh, it has lost 20 more games.
Ok if you want to make arguments that can't be proven.

Please tell me paying Bosh a max contract for the next 8 years, when there is going to be a new cap in place.....tell me that in 5 years you wouldn't rather have half the league, by your argument can I pick ANY 2 players in the league making 16mil? It's dumb you know it....I already said the team would be better with Bosh, but signing him was a mistake.

You are looking at things far to simplisticly.
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Thank you for proving my point, of why I didn't want to do this.

1.54-28, 50-32. I already conceded we are judging success differently

2. The 05-06 suns were 54-28. Amare played 3 games, and Marion has never been good without Nash

3. Kidd is overrated, so is RJ (and if Kidd isn't, I would like to add the 02-04 Nets to the list)
kidd is overrated?? wow....
i'm not a fan of the guy but the dude is a first ballot HOFer
and how is RJ overated? did he even make one allstar game?
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i hate when people use last seasons record as an excuse for bosh's worth....first off, Bosh had a way more experienced and more talented roster around him than this years squad...say what u want about turkoglu, as shitty as he was and as much as i hate him, he woud still be more valuable and talented than most of the players on our current roster... considering all the changes we made to the roster and all the youth we acquired this season, its stupid for people to say the 15+win difference from last year was all bosh's doing. its bullshit, he was good, but honestly he wasn't the huge difference maker all the Bosh sopporters claim...benzo was spot on when he mentioned bosh's offensive limitations, i hated how he stalled the offense (last years squad was so boring, they just dumped the ball to him and watched him and his inconsistency...and to think the same Bosh lovers blame barg for stalling the offense when yet the guy they miss so much did the exact same thing.....he was good enough to beat the mediocre teams and but not good enough to beat the good teams...

and lastly Bosh missed the playoffs as well, JUST like this years team....id rather be third last and likely get a top 3 pick then finish 9th and get a mediocre position in the draft (although we have lucked out with eddy d so far, but still less likely to get a good pick at that rank).

YES WE WOULD HAVE BEEN A BETTER TEAM WITH HIM..but not as much as some of you think, we'd still miss the playoffs, we'd still get raped by the big bodied teams like celtics imposing their will on the bosh/barg timid defensive duo...

in that sense, no i dont miss him at all tbh

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kidd is overrated?? wow....
i'm not a fan of the guy but the dude is a first ballot HOFer
and how is RJ overated? did he even make one allstar game?
It's person opinion...I am willing to concede Kidd has been good, but it was all VC those 2 years.

RJ is poo..

and Kidd carried 2 nets teams to the finals.

I understand this is hypocritical, but one of the 2 is true

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It's person opinion...I am willing to concede Kidd has been good, but it was all VC those 2 years.

RJ is poo..

and Kidd carried 2 nets teams to the finals.
i am glad im not the only one who finds kidd a tad bit overrated
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Please tell me paying Bosh a max contract for the next 8 years, when there is going to be a new cap in place.....tell me that in 5 years you wouldn't rather have half the league, by your argument can I pick ANY 2 players in the league making 16mil? It's dumb you know it....I already said the team would be better with Bosh, but signing him was a mistake.
A team's formula for success is you keep your star-player, and you draft and trade pieces to build a contender. If you have an owner with deep pockets, you go over the cap and build a contender. Look at all the top teams in the playoffs, they kept their star player they orginally drafted, and surrounded them with other star players or give them a formidable supporting cast. Loosing your star player takes your franchise back for a few years. Some like Minnesota, another decade.
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A team's formula for success is you keep your star-player, and you draft and trade pieces to build a contender. If you have an owner with deep pockets, you go over the cap and build a contender. Look at all the top teams in the playoffs, they kept their star player they orginally drafted, and surrounded them with other star players or give them a formidable supporting cast. Loosing your star player takes your franchise back for a few years. Some like Minnesota, another decade.
Bosh is not a franchise player, never has been, never will be.
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Bosh is not a franchise player, never has been, never will be.
I said "STAR" player. If your talking about true franchise players, there is about only 4 or 5 teams out of 30 teams that have one.
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i hate when people use last seasons record as an excuse for bosh's worth....first off, Bosh had a way more experienced and more talented roster around him than this years squad...say what u want about turkoglu, as shitty as he was and as much as i hate him, he woud still be more valuable and talented than most of the players on our current roster... considering all the changes we made to the roster and all the youth we acquired this season, its stupid for people to say the 15+win difference from last year was all bosh's doing. its bullshit, he was good, but honestly he wasn't the huge difference maker all the Bosh sopporters claim...benzo was spot on when he mentioned bosh's offensive limitations, i hated how he stalled the offense (last years squad was so boring, they just dumped the ball to him and watched him and his inconsistency...and to think the same Bosh lovers blame barg for stalling the offense when yet the guy they miss so much did the exact same thing.....he was good enough to beat the mediocre teams and but not good enough to beat the good teams...

and lastly Bosh missed the playoffs as well, JUST like this years team....id rather be third last and likely get a top 3 pick then finish 9th and get a mediocre position in the draft (although we have lucked out with eddy d so far, but still less likely to get a good pick at that rank).

YES WE WOULD HAVE BEEN A BETTER TEAM WITH HIM..but not as much as some of you think, we'd still miss the playoffs, we'd still get raped by the big bodied teams like celtics imposing their will on the bosh/barg timid defensive duo...
The last four years with BC, the team won 47, 41, 33, and 40, and average of 40 wins per year. You want to talk about last year's team, the team won 32 or 33 games at the f***n all-star break. Bosh goes down the first game after the break, misses 10 plus games, and the team wins 8 games for the next two months. What you saw last year after the all-star break without Bosh and this year's team, is bottom 3 team in the NBA.
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Vince carried a team on his own? I'm having real trouble with that one. He's killed a few coaches all on his own. I'll give him that.
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Thank you for proving my point, of why I didn't want to do this.

1.54-28, 50-32. I already conceded we are judging success differently

2. The 05-06 suns were 54-28. Amare played 3 games, and Marion has never been good without Nash

3. Kidd is overrated, so is RJ (and if Kidd isn't, I would like to add the 02-04 Nets to the list)
Again... lulz.

You're right Benzo. There's no point arguing when you're going committed to taking things to such a ridiculous level.
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Sam Mitchell win percentage .452

Jay Triano's .442

And Mitchell's teams were light years better than Triano's

AND

Mitchell was coaching at a time when most of the east was poo
His final 3 seasons the Raps were 97-85. His first two seasons here were horrible teams mostly under Babcock and the VC debacled trade. Sorry but last seasons roster had about as much talent as the team Mitchell coached in 06-07.
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His final 3 seasons the Raps were 97-85. His first two seasons here were horrible teams mostly under Babcock and the VC debacled trade. Sorry but last seasons roster had about as much talent as the team Mitchell coached in 06-07.
Offensive talent, yes..... DEFENSIVE talent? Not even close.

Parker and Garbo >>>>>> anything that we had last year on defense.
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His final 3 seasons the Raps were 97-85. His first two seasons here were horrible teams mostly under Babcock and the VC debacled trade. Sorry but last seasons roster had about as much talent as the team Mitchell coached in 06-07.
Maybe Triano will have success then
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His final 3 seasons the Raps were 97-85. His first two seasons here were horrible teams mostly under Babcock and the VC debacled trade. Sorry but last seasons roster had about as much talent as the team Mitchell coached in 06-07.
I don't credit that division championship to Smitch's coaching prowess, as much as I do to how dreadful the Eastern Conference was back then.
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