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I think alot of that falls on the coaching staff tbh. Mitchell force fed him and so did Triano. Have a smooth flowing offence and you implement that when he's younger and I guarantee things would be different.

But that's in the past.
Should the same not apply to Barg's then? Goes back to your previous point, in the other thread, perhaps the system are failing these guys, maybe the staff still needs to figure out how to use a jump shooting inside presence
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the fact that we may lose more games this year (and likely next) without him does not mean that we are worse off. the price tag we would have had to committ to would have handcuffed us, and simply wasn't worth it. at the time i wanted him back, but i see now how inflexible we would have been going forward. i'd rather lose now and build than win a few more games and be locked in to mediocrity.

saying so doesn't make me underrate bosh, nor does it make me hate him, and it definitely doesn't mean i think Bargnani is better. it just means that he wasn't a critical piece and i do think we are better off changing course.


edit - and the idea of one player carrying a team is the height of idiocy? really?
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the fact that we may lose more games this year (and likely next) without him does not mean that we are worse off. the price tag we would have had to committ to would have handcuffed us, and simply wasn't worth it. at the time i wanted him back, but i see now how inflexible we would have been going forward. i'd rather lose now and build than win a few more games and be locked in to mediocrity.

saying so doesn't make me underrate bosh, nor does it make me hate him, and it definitely doesn't mean i think Bargnani is better. it just means that he wasn't a critical piece and i do think we are better off changing course.


edit - and the idea of one player carrying a team is the height of idiocy? really?
Basketball is the only sport it can happen, and it happens all the time.
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Should the same not apply to Barg's then? Goes back to your previous point, in the other thread, perhaps the system are failing these guys, maybe the staff still needs to figure out how to use a jump shooting inside presence
The problem is that Bosh provided more from a big than simple jump shooting (it's what we remember). He had a post game and he rebounded.

You can't use a C who doesn't even go near the rim though.

My point to the offense with Bosh is simple, don't stall the offense. Don't make him make up his mind.

Two very separate ideas.
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Since when did Bosh have a post game?
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Bosh has a limited post-game. He is mostly a face-up 4. His post-game consists of quick-spins, pump-fakes, and fade-aways.
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Since when did Bosh have a post game?
Yea I missed it too..
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Old 04-08-2011, 12:44 PM   #148 (permalink)
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Basketball is the only sport it can happen, and it happens all the time.
If by "all the time" you mean "2 or 3 times in the past 15 years or so" then we agree.

Dirk... Lebron... A.I.... the only guys who come to mind who pretty much carried their teams to the finals.

Telling though that not a single one was able to win a title and lost out to better OVERALL teams.
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If by "all the time" you mean "2 or 3 times in the past 15 years or so" then we agree.

Dirk... Lebron... A.I.... the only guys who come to mind who pretty much carried their teams to the finals.

Telling though that not a single one was able to win a title and lost out to better OVERALL teams.
There are more than 3 that can "CARRY A TEAM" I was talking about success, not championships, CB4's time year was not a success by any stretch of the imagination.
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The team steadily improved with Bosh at the helm, under Mitchell's tutelage.

Yada yada "but Mitchell lost the team". It's been all downhill from there, for Bosh and the Raptors.
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The team steadily improved with Bosh at the helm, under Mitchell's tutelage.

Yada yada "but Mitchell lost the team". It's been all downhill from there, for Bosh and the Raptors.
Sam Mitchell win percentage .452

Jay Triano's .442

And Mitchell's teams were light years better than Triano's

AND

Mitchell was coaching at a time when most of the east was poo

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the fact that we may lose more games this year (and likely next) without him does not mean that we are worse off. the price tag we would have had to committ to would have handcuffed us, and simply wasn't worth it. at the time i wanted him back, but i see now how inflexible we would have been going forward. i'd rather lose now and build than win a few more games and be locked in to mediocrity.

saying so doesn't make me underrate bosh, nor does it make me hate him, and it definitely doesn't mean i think Bargnani is better. it just means that he wasn't a critical piece and i do think we are better off changing course.
People always mention Bosh's price tag is too high, and how it would handcuff the franchise. They also mention how realtively cheap Bargnani's contract is at 10 million per year. Bosh makes an avergae of 16.8 million per year in his contract. If an extra 6.8 million per year will net you a player like Barbosa (7.1) or Amir Johnson in the free agent market, who wins more games. Again if were talking about money, contracts and producing the most amount of wins, where would you invest your money:


Bosh > Andrea & Barbosa
Bosh > Andrea & Amir
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There are more than 3 that can "CARRY A TEAM" I was talking about success, not championships, CB4's time year was not a success by any stretch of the imagination.
By all means.... name these players.... just don't mention either Kobe or Wade since neither had much more success than Bosh did when both were the only stars on their teams.
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People always mention Bosh's price tag is too high, and how it would handcuff the franchise. They also mention how realtively cheap Bargnani's contract is at 10 million per year. Bosh makes an avergae of 16.8 million per year in his contract. If an extra 6.8 million per year will net you a player like Barbosa (7.1) or Amir Johnson in the free agent market, who wins more games. Again if were talking about money, contracts and producing the most amount of wins, where would you invest your money:


Bosh > Andrea & Barbosa
Bosh > Andrea & Amir
Dude, you are taking 2 players that happen to be on our team, 'Trane was talking about the future, I can find you 3 players making 16.8 that will have more of an impact that Bosh.
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By all means.... name these players.... just don't mention either Kobe or Wade since neither had much more success than Bosh did when both were the only stars on their teams.
I would love to invest the time, but I think it will just spiral into a conversation on either or not the players around them were good, which can be argued all day.

Brandon Roy did it very recently, Steve Nash has done it, Vince Carter has done it.
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I would love to invest the time, but I think it will just spiral into a conversation on either or not the players around them were good, which can be argued all day.

Brandon Roy did it very recently, Steve Nash has done it, Vince Carter has done it.
Brandon Roy.... did the Blazers get out of the 1st round?

Nash... lol... playing with 2 other all-stars and a 6th man of the year candidate?

Vince... with the strongest supporting cast that this franchise has ever had.. chock FULL of good, veteran, defensive players.


If you can't see a difference in those teams and the crap that was here around Bosh for years then I don't know what to say.

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Brandon Roy.... did the Blazers get out of the 1st round?

Nash... lol... playing with 2 other all-stars and a 6th man of the year candidate?

Vince... with the strongest supporting cast that this franchise has ever had.. chock FULL of good, veteran, defensive players.
1. It was a successful team

2.Nash made them all-stars

3. I was talking about the Nets.
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Dude, you are taking 2 players that happen to be on our team, 'Trane was talking about the future, I can find you 3 players making 16.8 that will have more of an impact that Bosh.
Bosh and Bargnani have played out of their rookie contracts. So name me any player who will command 6.8 million per year in the free agent market that will make up the 20 wins (last year vs current season).
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1. It was a successful team

2.Nash made them all-stars

3. I was talking about the Nets.

1. "Successful" based on what? The fact that they could MAKE the playoffs every so often and get beat? Shoot, Bosh did that for us too.

2. Lulz. So Amare and Marion were nothing but "solid role players" who benefitted from playing with Nash. OK Benzo.

3. The Nets team that had RJ and Kidd you mean (2 other all-stars)?
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Bosh and Bargnani have played out of their rookie contracts. So name me any player who will command 6.8 million per year in the free agent market that will make up the 20 wins (last year vs current season).
I am going to assume you know that this makes no sense what so ever, the only way it would be valid, is if Barg's didn't play on the team last year, and the 2 teams were identical
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