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Old 04-07-2011, 05:26 PM   #81 (permalink)
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can we all just accept that torap wants boshes man peice somewhere close to home and move on?
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Old 04-07-2011, 05:28 PM   #82 (permalink)
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Dude - you are all over the map. Now he's just a one-dimensional player? He's been a good defensive player for years now. His mentality does not zero in on defense enough, but he is hardly one-dimensional.

And no - I don't see the trend. You're saying Bynum is an accomplished two-way player? Pierce spent years with the same mindset as Bosh. The trend I see is the need for more than one, and actually more than two really good players, and a cast that compliments each other in carrying out effective game plans. It's not about having the right player or two and adding water and watching a title contender grow. The whole team needs to be looked at. The most powerful engine isn't worth much with a broken drive shaft.
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Old 04-07-2011, 05:30 PM   #83 (permalink)
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exactly, and we had none
<shrug> If you say so.... but if Bosh wasn't good enough for you and you're going to wait for the next KG or TD I feel bad for you.... because you'll probably be waiting a LONG, long time.
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Old 04-07-2011, 05:33 PM   #84 (permalink)
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can we all just accept that torap wants boshes man peice somewhere close to home and move on?
This from one of the guys that routinely slobs Vince Carter's knob??

There's actually some intelligent discussion going on in this thread right now... so you can see yourself out until you have something of worth to say.
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Old 04-07-2011, 05:34 PM   #85 (permalink)
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that's bs, all nba players work hard - it's obviously all relative. Compared to the hard-workers of the NBA, bosh, Carter and andrea are all slackers. You can argue the extent of their laziness, but you'd have to really twist logic to call Bosh a hard-worker or over-achiever. Bosh was just as athletic as KG was, and they both got the same coach to start their career. Only one turned out to be a hall of famer and a one of the best defensive players of his generation ...
LOLLL

once again, i don't know what scouting school u went to but i don't know from what you saw of chris Bosh made you think he has the potential to be a HOFer and one of the best defensive players of his generation.

what twisted logic allows someone to criticize a player because he didn't over-achieve
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Old 04-07-2011, 05:36 PM   #86 (permalink)
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Dude - you are all over the map. Now he's just a one-dimensional player? He's been a good defensive player for years now. His mentality does not zero in on defense enough, but he is hardly one-dimensional.
I guess it depends on how you define good defensive player. I think few people would call Bosh anything more than average defensively and at least a few would call him below average. He's a poor post defender, he doesn't block or steal, he's an average help defender and the only thing he excels is perimeter defense. He's not even close to being a two-way player. Kobe, Pierce, Wade or Manu can play shut-down defense on anybody and are very disruptive with their quickness and/or skill, shaq, bynum, KG, Rasheed and Duncan were elite post defenders and provided massive lane intimidation.

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And no - I don't see the trend. You're saying Bynum is an accomplished two-way player? Pierce spent years with the same mindset as Bosh.
You're saying Bynum isn't? On most teams he would be scoring 20ppg easily, with much better FG% than Bosh. You need to look beyond his low ppg, because he played all his life in Kobe's shadow, not unlike Bosh now with his 18ppg.

As far as Pierce slacking, he was on and off to be sure, but he was a pretty good defender even before KG joined Boston. Bosh just isn't that good, he's not strong enough and doesn't have the defensive skills necessary.
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Old 04-07-2011, 05:37 PM   #87 (permalink)
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This from one of the guys that routinely slobs Vince Carter's knob??

There's actually some intelligent discussion going on in this thread right now... so you can see yourself out until you have something of worth to say.
lmao what? yea me and Carter go way back. Great guy.
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Old 04-07-2011, 05:41 PM   #88 (permalink)
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The majority of these Bosh Bashers are the same posters who support Bargnani. Its nice they hold both players for the same standards. Bosh being compared to Duncan and Garnett (two of the best pfs of all-time). Bargnani was not a bad draft pick, imagine we would have drafted Adam Morrison or Tyrus Thomas. Bargnani is not the worst the No. 1 overall pick, imagine if we had picked Kwame Brown or Kandi Man.
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Old 04-07-2011, 05:42 PM   #89 (permalink)
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<shrug> If you say so.... but if Bosh wasn't good enough for you and you're going to wait for the next KG or TD I feel bad for you.... because you'll probably be waiting a LONG, long time.
duh ... there's a reason those players are so rare
But it is what it is, pretending that Bosh was one of those players is not going to make it so either.

Ed Davis has some potential to be that type of player, as unlikely as it is. But you are 100% right, this team doesn't have anybody in that mold, and we won't get one through free agency either.

which is why we need to suck, at least we have a shot via drafting. OKC and Chicago would be nowhere if they didn't get lucky, same for Orlando. Outside of the top markets, you need to be very very lucky, not only to get a top pick, but to get it in the right year (or hope to find a diamond in the rough,. which is even more unlikely).
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Old 04-07-2011, 05:47 PM   #90 (permalink)
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LOLLL

once again, i don't know what scouting school u went to but i don't know from what you saw of chris Bosh made you think he has the potential to be a HOFer and one of the best defensive players of his generation.

what twisted logic allows someone to criticize a player because he didn't over-achieve
um, you must have missed last season's topic about Bosh and the hall of fame ... you'd be surprised how many people STILL think he can make it.

that being said, I think you are wrong. Of course, it's hard to argue such things, but what does KG have (in terms of athletic abilities) that Bosh lacks? A longer wing span maybe, but Bosh is pretty close in that respect.

I don't criticize Bosh because he didn't overachieve, I think he didn't fulfill his potential. If you don't agree, that's your opinion of course.

On the other hand, if you think Bosh is not that good to being with, you must agree that it would have been very difficult if not impossible to build around him with player of equal of lesser value. Other than Detroit (if Chauncey doesn't make it), there's never been case of a title team without at least one HOFer.
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Old 04-07-2011, 05:49 PM   #91 (permalink)
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i miss him as a person, not so much as a player. he was a nice guy. aside from the media whoring
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Old 04-07-2011, 05:49 PM   #92 (permalink)
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The majority of these Bosh Bashers are the same posters who support Bargnani. Its nice they hold both players for the same standards. Bosh being compared to Duncan and Garnett (two of the best pfs of all-time). Bargnani was not a bad draft pick, imagine we would have drafted Adam Morrison or Tyrus Thomas. Bargnani is not the worst the No. 1 overall pick, imagine if we had picked Kwame Brown or Kandi Man.
I think you have it the other way around, if you look really closely, you will find that the majority of these Bosh Lovers are actually the same people who hate Bargnani with a passion. The reality is that most posters in this thread said they don't miss Bosh, while most people on this forum will bash Bargnani these days.
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Old 04-07-2011, 05:50 PM   #93 (permalink)
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If the Amare is good enough to be built around, then so is bosh...
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Old 04-07-2011, 05:53 PM   #94 (permalink)
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Don't know if you can call it building around Amare when you bring another "franchise guy" in
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Old 04-07-2011, 05:59 PM   #95 (permalink)
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um, you must have missed last season's topic about Bosh and the hall of fame ... you'd be surprised how many people STILL think he can make it.

that being said, I think you are wrong. Of course, it's hard to argue such things, but what does KG have (in terms of athletic abilities) that Bosh lacks? A longer wing span maybe, but Bosh is pretty close in that respect.

I don't criticize Bosh because he didn't overachieve, I think he didn't fulfill his potential. If you don't agree, that's your opinion of course.

On the other hand, if you think Bosh is not that good to being with, you must agree that it would have been very difficult if not impossible to build around him with player of equal of lesser value. Other than Detroit (if Chauncey doesn't make it), there's never been case of a title team without at least one HOFer.
really? theres a lot of people out there that think Bosh has HOF potential? anyone confirm with me on this?

and just becuase Bosh has the same athletic abilities doesn't mean he's suppose to be the same player. and how do u know they have similar athletic abilities? you can't tell by looking at there play. the only thing u can say is they have similar body type. and having similar body type doesn't mean Bosh should be as good as KG.
i'm sure there are people who aren't in the NBA with NBA bodies but aren't in the NBA but they can't ball worth a damn
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If the Amare is good enough to be built around, then so is bosh...
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Very good point.

People were absolutely fellating Amare at the start of the season... ready to give him the MVP... and then what happened?

SAME THING that happened to Bosh after his hot start last year... got worn down.. not enough help... team lost games.

Difference is that N.Y. was able to bring in another bonafide star to help shoulder the load (plus Billups too). They're struggling now as they try to get on the same page but in the long run it'll be better for BOTH Amare and Melo.
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Old 04-07-2011, 07:52 PM   #97 (permalink)
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that's bs, all nba players work hard - it's obviously all relative. Compared to the hard-workers of the NBA, bosh, Carter and andrea are all slackers. You can argue the extent of their laziness, but you'd have to really twist logic to call Bosh a hard-worker or over-achiever. Bosh was just as athletic as KG was, and they both got the same coach to start their career. Only one turned out to be a hall of famer and a one of the best defensive players of his generation ...


and this is even bigger bs.

1. Bosh played 0 minutes at center last season (defensively where it really matters). He didn't bang with howard in the post, andrea did, as lazy as he is.
2. Miami clearly needed him to play center, more badly than we did.
3. Lebron is a SF who is heavier than Bosh, despite giving up two inches. And he's as lean and mean as it gets.
4. Bosh never made any mention to Miami wanted him not to bulk up. I would be shocked if Miami asked him to do that. I'm not sure where you got that information, but chances are it's not accurate.
Bosh and KG do not have the same level of athleticism. That is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read. KG could be one of the most athletic bigs ever. Bosh was exciting in that he could show some of the same traits. But he never had the same tireless pogo stick legs.

To add to the crazy you say that Bosh did not play C defensively? That borders on trollish. He certainly did bang with Dwight in fact, and rather well. I guess we need to keep a recording of every game to keep some people from going on about pure fiction.

Lebron weighs more in spite of giving up a couple of inches. Well la dee da. Bosh must be lazy then. They have different body-types altogether. Lebron has the bones of a Polamalu. Of course he is going to weigh more.

And please go on about how I thought he was HOF worthy while you can. Because you know I never said any such thing in the context you present it in. I specifically said that it was easy for him to choose to play with guys that could bring multiple championships and an opportunity at making it to the HOF, over being the man in Toronto. Obviously I agree that he would stand no chance at the hall being the guy here.

And you've got things ass backwards for the most part as far as the need for a HOFer goes. Teams don't need HOF caliber players to win titles. They need players that can become HOF caliber by being on great teams. The great team has to be in place. No - that doesn't mean every player has to be great - it has to be balanced and have players that fit well together in roles that make the sum greater than the parts. As much as you want to make this a sport played by individuals, or pairings of two-way players, it just makes it seem like you are talking a whole lot out of your ass.
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can we all just accept that torap wants boshes man peice somewhere close to home and move on?
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Old 04-07-2011, 09:05 PM   #99 (permalink)
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LOL.... another kid who has absolutely nothing constructive to add.

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i miss when me and my sister use to call him little foot...since he looked like little foot from land before time haha...ooh good times
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