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Old 04-07-2011, 12:13 PM   #41 (permalink)
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a 1st round exit is not a playoff run
Do you not know whhat HOPES means?
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Old 04-07-2011, 12:22 PM   #42 (permalink)
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Do you not know whhat HOPES means?
well you can hope for anything really....but were our hopes of going to the 2nd round realistic? i would say no. the drop off after the top 4 teams in the east is drastic

you can "hope" for a playoff run with or without bosh
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Old 04-07-2011, 12:26 PM   #43 (permalink)
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Which is partly one reason the teams here suck.
Teams suck because of management. not fans. MANAGEMENT.

Fans have nothing to do with it.

and if you are going to say that management brings in certain players because that's what the fans want then that would make them incredibly short sighted and bad at their jobs.
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After a couple of years on this forum, only one thing I know for sure: is better an average hustle player than a very good player with talent and no hustle
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After a couple of years on this forum, only one thing I know for sure: is better an average hustle player than a very good player with talent and no hustle
Hsutle or not, in this city.......hit someone or grab someones balls and you'll get a standing ovation and your name will be chanted. Which isn't necessarliy a bad thing, who doesn't love some toughness. But you don't go far with mainly truculence. And people wonder why Reggie wants to stay here. This is one of the only NBA cities where he gets this much attention to this degree.
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Old 04-07-2011, 01:36 PM   #46 (permalink)
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I actually don't miss him at all. He's the third banana on Cleveland now, and putting up numbers fair for him on a good team - 19/9. He's not even as good or efficient as Gasol. Considering we'd be paying Bosh around $17.5 million per season, him leaving has actually been beneficial for us in rebuilding and developing some youth.

If Bosh was a lockdown defender (ie. Young Garnett), we'd all be hurting right now. As is, he's a talented scorer and well above average role player, not a star and certainly not a superstar.
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Old 04-07-2011, 01:47 PM   #47 (permalink)
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what's there to miss, it's not like we were a force like the cavs were. In 7 years with Bosh we won 40 games or more only 3 times, and discounting that magic season in '06, we never won more than .500 of our games. We were just as bad on defense and Bosh took too many nights off to be worth counting.

and, as this year has shown, even pairing Bosh with another all star, like JJ, would have made little difference, at best we'd have been another 1st round fodder for the good teams. Since we have absolutely no chance of attracting a true superstar like lebron here, and the team was good enough to draft poorly, our future was very bleak.

right now the present is bleaker, but at least we can look to the future with optimism. Next season will be just as bad, but hopefully by the end of 2012 we'll have a core with potential to become a solid team like chicago (who was built primarily through the draft). It's easy enough to get a guy like boozer to come here if we are showing enough potential in 2012. And we should have a ton of cap space that summer.

The only thing I miss is Chris Bosh of '05 and '06 when he was looking like an up and coming star with limitless potential and there was so much hope. Too bad Bosh stopped developing his game that season and was content to rack up points and rebounds, all star selections and marketing gimmicks.
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Old 04-07-2011, 02:22 PM   #48 (permalink)
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what's there to miss, it's not like we were a force like the cavs were. In 7 years with Bosh we won 40 games or more only 3 times, and discounting that magic season in '06, we never won more than .500 of our games. We were just as bad on defense and Bosh took too many nights off to be worth counting.

and, as this year has shown, even pairing Bosh with another all star, like JJ, would have made little difference, at best we'd have been another 1st round fodder for the good teams. Since we have absolutely no chance of attracting a true superstar like lebron here, and the team was good enough to draft poorly, our future was very bleak.

right now the present is bleaker, but at least we can look to the future with optimism. Next season will be just as bad, but hopefully by the end of 2012 we'll have a core with potential to become a solid team like chicago (who was built primarily through the draft). It's easy enough to get a guy like boozer to come here if we are showing enough potential in 2012. And we should have a ton of cap space that summer.

The only thing I miss is Chris Bosh of '05 and '06 when he was looking like an up and coming star with limitless potential and there was so much hope. Too bad Bosh stopped developing his game that season and was content to rack up points and rebounds, all star selections and marketing gimmicks.
Honestly... WTF does that even mean? Should he NOT have scored the ball when he was one of the most efficient stars in the league in his time here? Should he NOT have rebounded and just ran away from the boards like Bargs? Should he NOT have gone to the FT line again & again?

This is silly.

I miss having a bonafide all-star.

I miss having a guy good enough to command double teams on a nightly basis.

I miss having a guy who could both score AND grab 10+ rebs/gm.

I miss having a guy who could get to the line 8-10 times/night.


And most of all... I miss having a guy who was actually good enough to keep us in games and give us a chance to win most nights.

I'll always lament the fact that management never figured out how to make things work with him... because it really wasn't as hard as people made it out to be.
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Old 04-07-2011, 02:28 PM   #49 (permalink)
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Old 04-07-2011, 02:30 PM   #50 (permalink)
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I watch him all the time in Miami. He's embarrassing to watch. Toronto is definitely better off without him
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Old 04-07-2011, 02:31 PM   #51 (permalink)
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I watch him all the time in Miami. He's embarrassing to watch. Toronto is definitely better off without him
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Old 04-07-2011, 02:33 PM   #52 (permalink)
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I actually don't miss him at all. He's the third banana on Cleveland now, and putting up numbers fair for him on a good team - 19/9. He's not even as good or efficient as Gasol. Considering we'd be paying Bosh around $17.5 million per season, him leaving has actually been beneficial for us in rebuilding and developing some youth.

If Bosh was a lockdown defender (ie. Young Garnett), we'd all be hurting right now. As is, he's a talented scorer and well above average role player, not a star and certainly not a superstar.
Third Banana? Its Lebron and Wade, not too many players in the NBA are better than those two.

Star Player? The guy made 6 straight all-stars. Not the fans, but NBA coaches recognized he was all-STAR player. The team won 40 games last year and now it will win 20 games this year. Does an above average role player give you an 20 extra wins in the NBA?
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I'll always lament the fact that management never figured out how to make things work with him... because it really wasn't as hard as people made it out to be.
what do you mean by this? are you speaking about x's and o's or about surrounding him with talent? i don't see either one of those things as being easy (or 'not that hard'). the talent part was definitely hard. and the x's and o's part was a by-product of the lack of talent.

given bosh's skill set and dollar value, it was incredibly difficult to build around him, imo. i'm not saying you are wrong, i just don't understand the reasoning.
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what do you mean by this? are you speaking about x's and o's or about surrounding him with talent? i don't see either one of those things as being easy (or 'not that hard'). the talent part was definitely hard. and the x's and o's part was a by-product of the lack of talent.

given bosh's skill set and dollar value, it was incredibly difficult to build around him, imo. i'm not saying you are wrong, i just don't understand the reasoning.
"Colangelo should have drafted Brandon Roy!" ....oh, wait...
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what do you mean by this? are you speaking about x's and o's or about surrounding him with talent? i don't see either one of those things as being easy (or 'not that hard'). the talent part was definitely hard. and the x's and o's part was a by-product of the lack of talent.

given bosh's skill set and dollar value, it was incredibly difficult to build around him, imo. i'm not saying you are wrong, i just don't understand the reasoning.
This part.

I've said before that a Bosh/Chandler (or perhaps Camby?)/Marion frontcourt would have been a MUCH better fit over the past few years than the Bosh/Hedo/Bargs one that we had the misfortune of seeing.

When you have an offensive talent like Bosh what you NEED is defense.... not more shooting... and ESP. not more shooting from the REST of your frontcourt!!

I never understood the reasoning behind drafting Bargs right after we dealt CV away (who "just wasn't a good fit because his skills were redundant with Bosh here"). Talented or no.... BPA or no... trying to force him into a pairing with Bosh was the beginning of the end IMO.

In ORL, D12 is a strong defensive player who's complimented by various OFFENSIVE talents.... I find it hard to believe that it would have been "impossible" for us to employ a similar strategy.. but in reverse.
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"Colangelo should have drafted Brandon Roy!" ....oh, wait...
Yeah... we've been down this road before.

Sorry... I STILL don't believe that Bargs was the "best player available"... and even if he was I'd have rather traded the pick than taken a guy who duplicated Bosh's skillset.

That's just me though.
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we tried it with jo. didn't work. you can only go after what is available. not sure how you think chandler was in the mix...?

the reasoning behind Bargs was the uniqueness of talent in a shallow draft. but we've been over that before. i don't see how you can lump all that together as 'wasn't as hard as people made it out to be'. sounds like revisionist history to me.
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"Colangelo should have drafted Brandon Roy!" ....oh, wait...
Hindsight makes people act like smart-asses. Most of the moves BC made during Bosh's tenure here were considered good moves when he made them... the Hedo signing, JO, Calderon's contract when he was an up and coming PG.
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we tried it with jo. didn't work. you can only go after what is available. not sure how you think chandler was in the mix...?

the reasoning behind Bargs was the uniqueness of talent in a shallow draft. but we've been over that before. i don't see how you can lump all that together as 'wasn't as hard as people made it out to be'. sounds like revisionist history to me.
Sorry... bringing in washed up players who are on their last legs doesn't constitute "giving it an honest shot".

I'm assuming that Chandler might have been had... considering he was dealt (and ALMOST dealt to us). Impossible to say anything for sure, but I've never bought into the idea that we never had ANY tradeable assets that would have made it possible to bring in a guy like that.

How can you possibly claim that "Bosh was hard to build around" when we couldn't put a SINGLE all-star next to him in 7 years?

Kind of ridiculous if you ask me. We had a guy who came within a hair's breadth of avging 20 + 10 for 4 straight years and it's tough to build around him? Just can't buy it. How do OTHER teams build around their big men? Why is it so difficult for us?
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Hindsight makes people act like smart-asses. Most of the moves BC made during Bosh's tenure here were considered good moves when he made them... the Hedo signing, JO, Calderon's contract when he was an up and coming PG.
I can certainly recall some of us accepting the Hedo deal.... just not at the ridiculous price that was paid to get him here.

3 yrs @ $22M/yr or so would have been fine.... 5 @ $50M was just insanity no matter how you cut it... esp. given his past.
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