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Old 04-06-2011, 10:05 PM   #21 (permalink)
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And your logic is bullet proof. Clearly the choice was Babcock or Colangelo. There were no other options whatsoever.
Point is, at the time in the situation we were in and what Colangelo's standing was at the time.....saying he shouldn't be brought in here was nut imo.
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Old 04-06-2011, 10:07 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Only if he gets rid of his Bargs man-love.
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Old 04-06-2011, 10:15 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Point is, at the time in the situation we were in and what Colangelo's standing was at the time.....saying he shouldn't be brought in here was nut imo.
Unless you think defense has a place in the game, and weren't overly convinced by the experiment in Phoenix or what credentials were earned there. I'm not sure why you make out like he's an elite GM, or even was. I thought he had a chance to be top-notch at the time, but he was no Buford, Riley, or Donnie Walsh even.
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I've been knocked off the fence - by Jeff. I'm pretty sick of hearing how everything sucks except the guy that made it so.
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Old 04-06-2011, 10:20 PM   #25 (permalink)
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I've been knocked off the fence - by Jeff. I'm pretty sick of hearing how everything sucks except the guy that made it so.
And tired of hearing the EVERYTHING is his fault. We're even.
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And tired of hearing the EVERYTHING is his fault. We're even.
Yeah that happens in every post.
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Old 04-07-2011, 02:10 PM   #28 (permalink)
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LX nailed it. logic leads me to believe that colangelo basketball doesn't involve the defensive side of the game. if you're cool with circus basketball while watching teams like the spurs, lakers and celtics win basketball games the boring way, so be it. i never liked the suns style of basketball, so why the hell would i want the genius behind it all here in toronto.
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Old 04-07-2011, 02:18 PM   #29 (permalink)
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LX nailed it. logic leads me to believe that colangelo basketball doesn't involve the defensive side of the game. if you're cool with circus basketball while watching teams like the spurs, lakers and celtics win basketball games the boring way, so be it. i never liked the suns style of basketball, so why the hell would i want the genius behind it all here in toronto.
Well we never did get JERRY Colangelo so I guess you must be fairly content.
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Old 04-07-2011, 02:27 PM   #30 (permalink)
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LX nailed it. logic leads me to believe that colangelo basketball doesn't involve the defensive side of the game. if you're cool with circus basketball while watching teams like the spurs, lakers and celtics win basketball games the boring way, so be it. i never liked the suns style of basketball, so why the hell would i want the genius behind it all here in toronto.
Well we never played run and gun offense like the Suns or the Knicks D'Antoni's 7 seconds or less offense. BC does involve the defensive end, hence drafting Ed Davis. Not only was he supposed to be projected top 5 or 10, he's a defensive big man. Though if BC is really committed to defense, he would shop Bargs out.
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lol i didn't want to totally discredit all of his success as a gm. i suppose since we're on the topic, coming in with the 1st overall pick, a centre piece, tradable assets and large amount of cap space was something pretty to come into. i think it's pretty safe to say that just about any general manager would have considered an offer under those conditions and that salary.
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Well we never played run and gun offense like the Suns or the Knicks D'Antoni's 7 seconds or less offense. BC does involve the defensive end, hence drafting Ed Davis. Not only was he supposed to be projected top 5 or 10, he's a defensive big man. Though if BC is really committed to defense, he would shop Bargs out.
davis was BPA, but in that regard you're right, he doesn't completely ignore it. the problem has always been that he doesn't address it. it did the same thing in phoenix where he would add a player like kurt thomas to patch-up the defensive issue while keeping the same offensive orientated philosophy throughout the basis of the team. he's just not committed to changing the identity of his type basketball. signing kopono, regardless of how poorly he played was testament to the direction we were going.
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lol i didn't want to totally discredit all of his success as a gm. i suppose since we're on the topic, coming in with the 1st overall pick, a centre piece, tradable assets and large amount of cap space was something pretty to come into. i think it's pretty safe to say that just about any general manager would have considered an offer under those conditions and that salary.
Lol, I wasn't planning to take shots at you for your comment :P I was just saying that he considers the defensive end not like NYK and the Suns :P Its just hard to be a GM and cleaning up after the other GM's did before you. But the future seems good for us, I'd rather have BC leading the way than any other GM available out there. He set us up pretty good next year, lockout or not or new CBA.
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Another name that I haven't heard anyone mention but might bear some consideration is Steve Kerr. He was only a GM for 2 seasons with the Suns (and struggled in his first one when he brought Shaq in) but I liked a lot of the moves that he made for PHX in the year before he left.

- brought in Frye, Dudley, Amundson, Hill & J-Rich.
- drafted Robin Lopez.
- hired Alvin Gentry

He certainly made some mistakes after taking the job, but he corrected them quickly and gave the Suns (arguably) their best roster of the Steve Nash era.

If his price tag was cheaper than BC's I'd probably give him a look.
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Old 04-10-2011, 11:52 PM   #35 (permalink)
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Should the Raptors extend Colangelo?

Yes (64%, 918 Votes)
No (36%, 517 Votes)
Total Voters: 1,435

Source: RaptorsRepublic.com (Main page poll)

I think it's pretty clear people want BC to finish what he started.
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Old 04-10-2011, 11:58 PM   #36 (permalink)
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Give BC another two with a team option for 3 and lets see what he can do.

I disagree with the idea that Colangelo has no intention of making us a defensive team. Amir, Evans, Wright and JJ prove that BC will go after defensive minded players. I really don't think he's still got the mentality of turning this into "Phoenix North" he tried that and it failed. Plus I really do think that him catering to Bosh really hurt BC's ability to move forward and improve the Raptors from a standpoint of turning us into a cohesive team and not just a bunch of guys playing basketball.
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Hes failed as our GM. Hes made awful signings. If it was anyone else everyone would say no. But hes still living off his reputation from what he did in PHX. His vision doesnt work without a superstar PG. We're not going to win with him at the helm if he continues his absolutely atrocious decision making on what he believes the team should be built like.

He doesnt deserve to be re signed with the decisions hes made.
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Hes failed as our GM. Hes made awful signings. If it was anyone else everyone would say no. But hes still living off his reputation from what he did in PHX. His vision doesnt work without a superstar PG. We're not going to win with him at the helm if he continues his absolutely atrocious decision making on what he believes the team should be built like.

He doesnt deserve to be re signed with the decisions hes made.
That's not true when you look at what he's done drafting and trading since Bosh is gone. Seriously, I think it was more trying to build around Bosh than what BC tried to do. Looking at everything he's done so far, (including Bosh) everything looked great on paper but failed. JO = Injured, Hedo = lazy fat ass both of them were big free agents in their year, it just never panned out.

After Bosh left he traded away Hedo for Barbosa (somehow), traded Belinelli (sp?) for Ju Ju and a useless late draft pick in a weak draft for a prospect like JJ and traded Jack, Banks, Andersen for Bayless and Peja and in-turn brought in a expiring contract of Ajinca (who is another talented young player) and our 2015 (or 2014?) 2nd round draft pick. On top of that he's done a great job drafting with guys like Demar at 9 and Ed at 13. BC deserves at least a couple year more to see what he can do when he's forced to build around a player that a) he didn't draft b) that was very hard to build around.

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That's not true when you look at what he's done drafting and trading since Bosh is gone. Seriously, I think it was more trying to build around Bosh than what BC tried to do. Looking at everything he's done so far, (including Bosh) everything looked great on paper but failed. JO = Injured, Hedo = lazy fat ass both of them were big free agents in their year, it just never panned out.

After Bosh left he traded away Hedo for Barbosa (somehow), traded Belinelli (sp?) for Ju Ju and a useless late draft pick in a weak draft for a prospect like JJ and traded Jack, Banks, Andersen for Bayless and Peja and intern brought in a expiring contract of Ajinca (who is another talented young player) and our 2015 (or 2014?) 2nd round draft pick. On top of that he's done a great job drafting with guys like Demar at 9 and Ed at 13. BC deserves at least a couple year more to see what he can do when he's forced to build around a player that a) he didn't draft b) that was very hard to build around.
Boom. Last year I posted a long write up about why Bosh isn't a centerpiece of a team and thus did not merit a max contract, people got mad at me, chairs were thrown.

No but seriously you're right. Having to cater to Bosh completely fucked his decision making abilities and tied his hands on many issues. I vote another two years to rebuild and stock the cupboard (a la Burke) with young talent. We're not going to get better any other way and he made GREAT picks in Ed and Demar. I really don't think it's fair to cut him off now that Bosh, who really is part of the reason we're in the mess we're in right now, is gone.

Also, to all of you guys who have a list of GM's that are far more qualified for the position than BC, my question to you is: Why don't they have a job already if they're so perfect for the GM position of the Raps? (other than Barkley, cuz he would be awesome)
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Old 04-11-2011, 01:50 AM   #40 (permalink)
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Yes let him finish what he started. BC does make the summer interesting and he does try hard to fix his past mistakes.
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