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Old 08-22-2008, 01:26 PM   #41 (permalink)
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ps. Carefoot, your whole Bargnani thing. Bah. Sounded like a Sportscenter space filler full of speculation. What are you, a Journalism Major???
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Old 08-22-2008, 01:45 PM   #42 (permalink)
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What are you, a Journalism Major???
Actually, yes. But I'm guessing you knew that - hence, the funneh.

For the record, I'm not actually rooting against Bargnani. I just don't have a lot of confidence in his potential. I'm hoping his new sixth man role will take some pressure off of him and allow him to flourish. If he can regain his shooting stroke, he's unquestionably a mismatch problem.
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Actually, yes. But I'm guessing you knew that - hence, the funneh.

For the record, I'm not actually rooting against Bargnani. I just don't have a lot of confidence in his potential. I'm hoping his new sixth man role will take some pressure off of him and allow him to flourish. If he can regain his shooting stroke, he's unquestionably a mismatch problem.
There are way too many "if's" with the Raptors coming into this season. Hopefully all the "if's" come true and the Raps are one of the top teams in the East
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Welcome aboard, Scott - it's always great to have professionals in our midst.

Great blog, excellent interview with CBC - eloquent, yet not entirely full of yourself you are.

As for Bargnani - I keep re-visiting that draft myself. True, regular fans like us don't have enough access to prospects to form an informed opinion, but at the time all the hype around Bargs seemed reasonable to me. With Gherardini coming over and coaching stuff being flown to Italy to watch the guy and coming home impressed, it's hard to believe that so many people were so dead wrong, isn't it?

Seeing as how that was an overall weak draft, I am willing to wait for Andrea to find his groove and at least become enough of a trade bait to produce some returns that way. I am saying that because it might turn out that he can only be efficient as a PF...
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Old 08-22-2008, 02:44 PM   #45 (permalink)
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Welcome aboard, Scott - it's always great to have professionals in our midst.

Great blog, excellent interview with CBC - eloquent, yet not entirely full of yourself you are.
I'm a professional now? Wow, we've really devalued that term.

Incidentally, I'm with The Score now managing a top secret project that I can't talk about until it launches. Having met Cabbie, Micallef and the bunch, they're nice guys but I'm not sure I'd call them "professionals" either. That's what I like about this place. "Professionals" are usually boring.
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I'm a professional now? Wow, we've really devalued that term.

Incidentally, I'm with The Score now managing a top secret project that I can't talk about until it launches. Having met Cabbie, Micallef and the bunch, they're nice guys but I'm not sure I'd call them "professionals" either. That's what I like about this place. "Professionals" are usually boring.
How dare you question Cabbie's professionalism?

If I'm not mistaken, his full contact interview technique is straight out of the textbook.

Seriously though...top secret projects with a national TV network? Sounds pretty professional to me. That's awesome.
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Old 08-22-2008, 03:01 PM   #47 (permalink)
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Seriously though...top secret projects with a national TV network? Sounds pretty professional to me. That's awesome.
Yeah, I'm pretty pumped. It's not TV-related though so don't look for me on there.

So anyway... Bosh's awesomeness. Discuss.
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Yeah, I'm pretty pumped. It's not TV-related though so don't look for me on there.

So anyway... Bosh's awesomeness. Discuss.
I still fail to see how great he is.

If he is in the West he is not on an all-star team...

He almost a liability on Defense....

Has yet to step up in the big game..

Thinks he can shot the 3...

Settles for the jumper far too often

Even though his numbers are good doesn't crash the boards

I'd say the only thing he has going for him is.....he is only 24.
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I wouldn't say we take Bosh for granted at all, if I'm speaking in general terms.

I take an example like my girlfriend for instance, who just really got into basketball recently and absolutely feels that Chris is a top 10 player in this league. And to be honest, going down to the games and talking to other people, I feel that this sentiment is shared by the majority of basketball fans in Toronto. So to answer the question, do we (as in the majority of Raptor fans) take him for granted then I'd argue no.

If I'm speaking now to the hardcore basketball fan, then I'd obviously say yes. I think alot of out there who've been following the sport for many, many years, take what Bosh does for granted because there's nothing that he does better than someone else. You think of LeBron, Dwayne Wade, Kobe and you can think of moments where you can say, no one else can do that. With Bosh, you never get that idea. He's extremely skilled at what he does and is a hell of a player, but he never excels at one thing as the players can. And really, that's how we can take him for granted, that's he so damn efficient in his game we expect to have the 20, 10 and 3 a game (stats that KG famous, are now pedestrian). If he doesn't do this, we say he's overrated, if does this, it was a typical Bosh game. Is it a bad or good thing, not sure.

But, by and large, I'd argue on the whole, we don't take him for granted.
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I still fail to see how great he is.

If he is in the West he is not on an all-star team...

He almost a liability on Defense....

Has yet to step up in the big game..

Thinks he can shot the 3...

Settles for the jumper far too often

Even though his numbers are good doesn't crash the boards

I'd say the only thing he has going for him is.....he is only 24.
David West was an all star in the West last season. You don't honestly believe he's better than Bosh, do you? Same goes for Marion and Mehmet Okur in the previous years.

The rest of your points are valid, but I'd hardly say they outweigh his upside. He's a very tough player to guard, and although he relies on it a little much, the mid range jumper is a great asset for a big man.

There are certainly improvements to be made to his game, but people have complaints about Lebron, Kobe, Wade...everyone.

Although the 3's have got to stop. He's got no business firing those up.
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he's unable to be huge when it matters and does not change the face of a game.

He's very good, but not great.
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I still fail to see how great he is.

If he is in the West he is not on an all-star team...

He almost a liability on Defense....

Has yet to step up in the big game..

Thinks he can shot the 3...

Settles for the jumper far too often

Even though his numbers are good doesn't crash the boards

I'd say the only thing he has going for him is.....he is only 24.
Benzo, tell me, who at the PF/C position would you take ahead of him for an all-star game? Because I can only think of Amare, Dirk and Duncan. Considering last season went with 2 more bigs, I can easily see Bosh as an "all-star".
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If he is in the West he is not on an all-star team...
You really think he wouldn't be picked over David West? That's some Grade A hatin' there.

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He almost a liability on Defense...
You're entitled to your opinion, but you're wrong. The Raptors were 13th in defensive efficiency last season and the only big man you could arguably give more credit to than Bosh for that is Rasho. He's not appearing on any All-Defensive teams, but he's improved his D to "above-average" status now.

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Has yet to step up in the big game..
This is a meaningless phrase. People said the same thing about KG for a decade and it's pretty clear now that he just needed a better supporting cast.

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Thinks he can shot the 3...
He's 22 for 60 from three-point land over the last two seasons. That's better than 33 percent which is equivalent to shooting better than 50 percent on two-point shots. He's a good enough shooter to mix the occasional trey in once in a while.

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Settles for the jumper far too often
I have proof that you're wrong about this. He finished 10th in the NBA in free throw attempts last year and only two big men had more: Amare Stoudemire and Dwight Howard. Statements like yours are a perfect example of somebody hating on someone based on drastically inaccurate perceptions fuelled by preconceived bias.

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Even though his numbers are good doesn't crash the boards
Subjective, exaggerated statement. Bosh is a pretty average rebounder, though.
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I'm a professional now? Wow, we've really devalued that term.

Incidentally, I'm with The Score now managing a top secret project that I can't talk about until it launches. Having met Cabbie, Micallef and the bunch, they're nice guys but I'm not sure I'd call them "professionals" either. That's what I like about this place. "Professionals" are usually boring.
If I sounded like kissing ass - I apologize profusely, you fucking amateur.

I had my reasons to praise your body of work, let's just put it this way.
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tenth???

Scotty tenth don't make him top three or anything.

So.

Ya know.......

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You really think he wouldn't be picked over David West? That's some Grade A hatin' there.



You're entitled to your opinion, but you're wrong. The Raptors were 13th in defensive efficiency last season and the only big man you could arguably give more credit to than Bosh for that is Rasho. He's not appearing on any All-Defensive teams, but he's improved his D to "above-average" status now.



This is a meaningless phrase. People said the same thing about KG for a decade and it's pretty clear now that he just needed a better supporting cast.



He's 22 for 60 from three-point land over the last two seasons. That's better than 33 percent which is equivalent to shooting better than 50 percent on two-point shots. He's a good enough shooter to mix the occasional trey in once in a while.



I have proof that you're wrong about this. He finished 10th in the NBA in free throw attempts last year and only two big men had more: Amare Stoudemire and Dwight Howard. Statements like yours are a perfect example of somebody hating on someone based on drastically inaccurate perceptions fuelled by preconceived bias.



Subjective, exaggerated statement. Bosh is a pretty average rebounder, though.

You didn't ask or suggest that weither or not he was a very good player...he is just not one of the best....and all your points prove that fact.....
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I still fail to see how great he is.

If he is in the West he is not on an all-star team...

He almost a liability on Defense....(when he is the only defender on the team it makes things a little harder, he;ll definately be better with JO)

Has yet to step up in the big game..(havent played in any big games as a team)
Thinks he can shot the 3...(actually can)

Settles for the jumper far too often (you would to if you are the teams primary offensive weapon and primary defensive anchor)Even though his numbers are good doesn't crash the boards (again see top post)

I'd say the only thing he has going for him is.....he is only 24.
Borderline Trolling around these parts my friend.
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Borderline Trolling around these parts my friend.
Bosh is a "good" defender.

Yes we have played in a few big games....and speaking of Defense, he let Jefferson walk around him and dunk on him in one of those big games.

He should have been driving and kicking....not standing and shooting.
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Bosh is a "good" defender.

Yes we have played in a few big games....and speaking of Defense, he let Jefferson walk around him and dunk on him in one of those big games.

He should have been driving and kicking....not standing and shooting.
Kobe let Pierce punk him out, I guess Kobes a bad defender as well.(see its easy to do that, besides Bosh shouldnt have been guarding him in the first place, rotation on defense was horrible that play)

And as far as him driving and kicking, that was supposed to be TJ's job.
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Kobe let Pierce punk him out, I guess Kobes a bad defender as well.(see its easy to do that, besides Bosh shouldnt have been guarding him in the first place, rotation on defense was horrible that play)

And as far as him driving and kicking, that was supposed to be TJ's job.
That was more to the point of him 'stepping up" in big games.

Bosh is not a great defender and anyone whos says other wise is delusional and drinking the kool-aid
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