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Old 08-27-2008, 03:38 PM   #41 (permalink)
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well, basically ya, that's exactly what im saying snooch. Calling people ignorant because they cheer for a team or sport you don't like is ridiculous. Unless I'm in a unique position, I would imagine most fans of any sport or team are quite intelligent, and quite interesting, cheering for a team is a guilty pleasure for most. There are "fanatics", the crazies the live eat breathe and shit sports, but those people are universal, and not particular to any one team or sport.

Add to that, I am in the group Jeffy called ignorant. And my sport is one he called shitty. And the coverage of that sport, no different than the hoops coverage south of the border, just not here. And note to Jeff, it's pretty ironic that a dude that is on this board EVERYDAY, would speak up about over coverage.
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I just wish that the media would show Raptor highlights at least after the Canadian Hickoey team highlights. Thats not asking to much.
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Old 08-27-2008, 03:49 PM   #43 (permalink)
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They do.

I am a raptorhead, why do I never seem to have trouble finding raps highlights???

I don't get people.

They talk like it's personal.

We live in Canada, Hockey is by far the greatest interest here. More interest, more viewers/listeners = more media sales.

It's business, why squak about it. Like I said, there are alternatives. I have Raptors television, and the score rolls highlites all fucking day. How plugged in do people need to be.
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Old 08-27-2008, 04:03 PM   #44 (permalink)
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I know what snooch is talking about. TSN and RSN often show 1 mins of bball hilites at like :28 of the hour after showing like cricket hilites and shit before it. Its terrible.

And Raptors hilites being after all 15 NHL games hilites. Its a joke.

The Score is the sports station that has it right for the most part. They show what they're going to show next at the bottom so people know when to tune in to what hilite they wanna watch, and they stretch out the bball hilites and the Raptors often come first with them.

But I stopped watching the sports stations about 2 yrs ago outside of bball hilites and games because the amount of hockey coverage is a joke and why wait around for bball hilites when you can just watch em online or on raps tv? Its great that raps tv the score and the internet has so much coverage of bball now so we dont have to sit around waiting for 2 second hilites on the hockey network and hockeynet anymore.
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I love hockey...I more of a fan of the game than I am a particular team, (that said, GO RANGERS).

However the Raps highlites should be on before the Thrashers vs Lightning highlites...and they are not.
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1. Dont like it, don't listen, get a good job, get satellite, listen to NBA coverage. you have a choice. So to do the large number of people that choose hockey as they like it, and they like thier team. Calling them ignorant is pretty much ridiculous.

2. Myself, and many of my close friends, including somein the media, and some in some pretty interesting fields of word all follow Hockey, and the toronto squad. A lot of us have since we were young. I'm not gonna toss out any insults here, but you have been pretty fucking childish, shortsighted, ignorant, and downright off base in your last few posts. And those aren't insults, only dead on observations. Choose your sport, enjoy it to the fullest Jeff, but honestly man, what is achieved by belittling other peole for thier own choice.
It's not about choice! And like i said,it's not all fans.My point was that i listen to fans in this city go on about the Leafs and alot of the time they don't seem to have a clue.It seems like they are fans because it's the thing to do.It shows when you watch the games.The crowd sucks b/c most in the crowd are in suites and are more worried about business then hockey.It's the place to be seen.This is a city that loved guys like tie Dummy/Darcy Tucker and put players like Sundin down.Players with skill who puts the team on his back. Makes them look out of touch.And this is from a guy that has (was) been a leaf fan for 25 + years.
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They do.

I am a raptorhead, why do I never seem to have trouble finding raps highlights???

I don't get people.

They talk like it's personal.

We live in Canada, Hockey is by far the greatest interest here. More interest, more viewers/listeners = more media sales.

It's business, why squak about it. Like I said, there are alternatives. I have Raptors television, and the score rolls highlites all fucking day. How plugged in do people need to be.
I like catching highlights on every source, someone might have something different to say.

And if I could have Raps highlights, interview, pre and post games transmitted 24 hours a day directly into my brain I would take it.
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hahahahahahaaaa then you're in the riht place.

Jeff.

Don't change the fact that you called me and my friends ignorant.

You're so fucking dead after school.

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I love hockey...I more of a fan of the game than I am a particular team, (that said, GO RANGERS).

However the Raps highlites should be on before the Thrashers vs Lightning highlites...and they are not.
That's one of my biggest issues with Hockey in Toronto (Canada).Everything else usually has to wait 10 minutes while they go through Predators/Thrashers highlights.And i'm tired of it.
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hahahahahahaaaa then you're in the riht place.

Jeff.

Don't change the fact that you called me and my friends ignorant.

You're so fucking dead after school.

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LOL

Some fans are ignorant, but if you want to lump yourself into that mix, have at it.
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Old 08-27-2008, 05:23 PM   #51 (permalink)
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People that say championships don't matter to the owners as long as they make money (bottom line) make me laugh.Championships bring in more money then a lack of playoff success.The more success the more money.
Wrong, merchandise and TV revenue bring in the real big bucks. Their MO is to go a playoff round or 2, so the fans are happy, but never go deeper so expectations never get that high. In my age group alot of people talk about those early 90s leafs teams like they were made to win.... no they werent, we were never favorites going into the season, we always needed a goalie to win us a round or 2 and leaf fans would go bananas and spend all kinds of $.

No its not publicly traded that i know of and the Ontario Teachers Union owns a HUGE share of the company... do you think they are in it to spend $ so they can win? No they are in it to make $ and spend the least.

To prove my point, pre salary cap NHL, we are LITERALLY the biggest $ making team in hockey.... we never spent the most, we never got close to spending the most, we never signed a real hotshot player that wasnt over the hill. Im sorry Raptors fans, until the OTU steps the fuck outta the game, it will be hard pressed to win.

Dont give me omg 10mil over and we gotta pay an extra 10mil... thats peanuts to this company, they make so much $ its ridiculous and they give us the shaft all the time. Hiring BC was a preemptive move since Raptors fans arent nearly as loyal as Leafs fans and wont sellout games for a last place team, so they needed credibility for the fans and to other NBA players, but still the purse strings are tight.
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Old 08-27-2008, 07:53 PM   #52 (permalink)
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Wrong, merchandise and TV revenue bring in the real big bucks. Their MO is to go a playoff round or 2, so the fans are happy, but never go deeper so expectations never get that high. In my age group alot of people talk about those early 90s leafs teams like they were made to win.... no they werent, we were never favorites going into the season, we always needed a goalie to win us a round or 2 and leaf fans would go bananas and spend all kinds of $.

No its not publicly traded that i know of and the Ontario Teachers Union owns a HUGE share of the company... do you think they are in it to spend $ so they can win? No they are in it to make $ and spend the least.

To prove my point, pre salary cap NHL, we are LITERALLY the biggest $ making team in hockey.... we never spent the most, we never got close to spending the most, we never signed a real hotshot player that wasnt over the hill. Im sorry Raptors fans, until the OTU steps the fuck outta the game, it will be hard pressed to win.

Dont give me omg 10mil over and we gotta pay an extra 10mil... thats peanuts to this company, they make so much $ its ridiculous and they give us the shaft all the time. Hiring BC was a preemptive move since Raptors fans arent nearly as loyal as Leafs fans and wont sellout games for a last place team, so they needed credibility for the fans and to other NBA players, but still the purse strings are tight.
They'd make even more money with a cup.More ticket sales, way more merchendise.
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Old 08-28-2008, 01:00 AM   #53 (permalink)
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They'd make even more money with a cup.More ticket sales, way more merchendise.
Yes for one year, but then you get expectations and why would you want that? Think about it long term, if the fans are happy going one round or two, then you never have to spend the most to get a real team out there and over the course of time you make way more $, this was especially true pre-cap NHL when Toronto had a NY Yankee type advantage in $ and fanbase but never used it to spend the most.... because its about $. Sadly if we couldnt win with that advantage i dont see how we can win without it

I dont think Leafs fans are ignorant at all, you love what you love. But you are shooting yourselves in the foot by letting them keep printing $ after close to 40 years of medicore teams, if you really love them, then you need to give them tough love til they love you back :P

Nobody has spoken up about the Teachers Union? How many teams in sports are owned by a Teachers Union? lol i mean damn, Teachers are some of the cheapest fucks on the planet :P
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Wrong, merchandise and TV revenue bring in the real big bucks. Their MO is to go a playoff round or 2, so the fans are happy, but never go deeper so expectations never get that high. In my age group alot of people talk about those early 90s leafs teams like they were made to win.... no they werent, we were never favorites going into the season, we always needed a goalie to win us a round or 2 and leaf fans would go bananas and spend all kinds of $.

No its not publicly traded that i know of and the Ontario Teachers Union owns a HUGE share of the company... do you think they are in it to spend $ so they can win? No they are in it to make $ and spend the least.

To prove my point, pre salary cap NHL, we are LITERALLY the biggest $ making team in hockey.... we never spent the most, we never got close to spending the most, we never signed a real hotshot player that wasnt over the hill. Im sorry Raptors fans, until the OTU steps the fuck outta the game, it will be hard pressed to win.

Dont give me omg 10mil over and we gotta pay an extra 10mil... thats peanuts to this company, they make so much $ its ridiculous and they give us the shaft all the time. Hiring BC was a preemptive move since Raptors fans arent nearly as loyal as Leafs fans and wont sellout games for a last place team, so they needed credibility for the fans and to other NBA players, but still the purse strings are tight.
Those early 90's teams were Stavros teams and he wanted to win and gave Fletcher carte blanche. They were creaming themselves over the possibility of a Leafs/Canadians final.
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Those early 90's teams were Stavros teams and he wanted to win and gave Fletcher carte blanche. They were creaming themselves over the possibility of a Leafs/Canadians final.
No, we werent near top in league spending in the early 90s, the teachers union was still a major factor. We never went out and signed a real superstar late season to give us a push over the top and really as fondly as those teams are remembered, we were never favorites going in and Fletchers hand were still tied in terms of spending like the Wings or Av's.

Hell, the year Montreal won we werent really a high seed and most people expected us to lose to Detriot in the 1st round.
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No, we werent near top in league spending in the early 90s, the teachers union was still a major factor. We never went out and signed a real superstar late season to give us a push over the top and really as fondly as those teams are remembered, we were never favorites going in and Fletchers hand were still tied in terms of spending like the Wings or Av's.

Hell, the year Montreal won we werent really a high seed and most people expected us to lose to Detriot in the 1st round.
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No, we werent near top in league spending in the early 90s, the teachers union was still a major factor. We never went out and signed a real superstar late season to give us a push over the top and really as fondly as those teams are remembered, we were never favorites going in and Fletchers hand were still tied in terms of spending like the Wings or Av's.

Hell, the year Montreal won we werent really a high seed and most people expected us to lose to Detriot in the 1st round.
The fact they hired Fletcher, who built the Flames into a Stanley Cup winning team, shows that they wanted to win. This is before the OTPP had controlling interest. I don't care if they're at the top of the league in spending if they're making smart trades and building a gritty team.
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The fact they hired Fletcher, who built the Flames into a Stanley Cup winning team, shows that they wanted to win. This is before the OTPP had controlling interest. I don't care if they're at the top of the league in spending if they're making smart trades and building a gritty team.
Lol besides Gilmour and Anderchuk, what really good trades did we make, what superstars did we get? Man thats serious leaf fan kool aid thinking we were really a contender back then, we literally had goalies standing on their heads for us to win, but thats just my opinion
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Lol besides Gilmour and Anderchuk, what really good trades did we make, what superstars did we get? Man thats serious leaf fan kool aid thinking we were really a contender back then, we literally had goalies standing on their heads for us to win, but thats just my opinion
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three things:

1. ugo knows waaay too much hockey for a real basketball fan
2. why would any fan need to watch the highlights, since he/she is seeing the game live anyway?
3. while I agree there's a line of though that success could potentially damage attendance medium term (it's a lot more fun to follow a team that is reaching for something, once it gets there it could get boring, plus for a team that wins 60 games every season, when they only get 50, fans will call it a failure ... ).

However, in my opinion, the Raptors will GREATLY benefit from becoming a top team. They would get a lot more exposure in the US media and worldwide, especially with our euro reputation. I'm pretty sure the bulk of revenues don't come from attendance, but from tv rights and other sources.

On the other hand, as long as they make a lot of money, it's a risky proposition to go all in trying to win a title, because if you don't, you will lose a lot. I think the people that run MLSE are very smart - they might be a-holes as human beings and all that, but they are not dumb. It's just risk management - when our chances of winning a title improve, so will the chances of them spending more money ...
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