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Acie 01-18-2012 12:33 PM

Do the Raps hold on to players too long?
 
I recently read from a very credible source that the Raps hold on to players too long and then wring their hands two years later when they fall out of favour or suck balls and then the fans wonder why they didn't get rid of them when could have got something in return and whine that the GM needs to go.

Who are these players and when has this ever happened? Can someone please elaborate?

Thanks

jeffb 01-18-2012 12:45 PM

That's never happened. Ever!

DVS 01-18-2012 12:45 PM

I agree with Jeff. If anything BC likes to rotate the roster too much at times

jeffb 01-18-2012 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DVS (Post 601752)
I agree with Jeff. If anything BC likes to rotate the roster too much at times

Lol

Acie 01-18-2012 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 601751)
That's never happened. Ever!

Clearly you don't have an answer or you would have just named these mystery players a few days ago.

jeffb 01-18-2012 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Acie (Post 601756)
Clearly you don't have an answer or you would have just named these mystery players a few days ago.

Yep, clearly :)

But I lol'd. Thanks

Tommy C 01-18-2012 12:49 PM

Bosh is one of them... 2.5 yrs ago OKC wanted Bosh for KD.
Will try to find the source though.
It was up in the air that Bosh isn't gonna come back and we gonna let him go for almost nothing.

DVS 01-18-2012 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tommy C (Post 601758)
Bosh is one of them... 2.5 yrs ago OKC wanted Bosh for KD.
Will try to find the source though.
It was up in the air that Bosh isn't gonna come back and we gonna let him go for almost nothing.

Bosh for Durant ... plz

Acie 01-18-2012 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 601757)
Yep, clearly :)

But I lol'd. Thanks


It's quite simple...who are they? I'd sincerely like to know.

Or are you waiting for other people to respond so you can just use their answers?

jeffb 01-18-2012 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tommy C (Post 601758)
Bosh is one of them... 2.5 yrs ago OKC wanted Bosh for KD.
Will try to find the source though.
It was up in the air that Bosh isn't gonna come back and we gonna let him go for almost nothing.

Dude, it's never happened.

Windex 01-18-2012 12:51 PM

only 1 player I feel we held on too long. Calderon.

jeffb 01-18-2012 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Acie (Post 601760)
It's quite simple...who are they?

Or are you wating for other people to respond so you can just use their answers?


Nope, it's never happened. :)

'trane 01-18-2012 12:53 PM

impressive stuff jeff.

Acie 01-18-2012 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 601763)
Nope, it's never happened. :)

Seriously, dude...tell me who they are?

I would sincerely like to know.

jeffb 01-18-2012 12:56 PM

Jose
Bosh
Mopete - should have dealt him when the hornets wanted him
T-Mac- everyone knew he was leaving

Another part of my post pointed out that we never sell high. Which has never happened in our 16yrs, but you didn't say anythinhg about that at all.

DVS 01-18-2012 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 601769)
Jose
Bosh
Mopete - should have dealt him when the hornets wanted him
T-Mac- every knew he was leaving

Another part of my post pointed out that we never sell high. Which has never happened in our 16yrs, but you didn't say anythinhg about that at all.

If Tmac got his extention when GG should have given it to him he would have been locked up.

Acie 01-18-2012 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 601769)
Jose
Bosh
Mopete - should have dealt him when the hornets wanted him
T-Mac- every knew he was leaving

Another part of my post pointed out that we never sell high. Which has never happened in our 16yrs, but you didn't say anythinhg about that at all.

Colangelo and Mitchell chose a healthy Jose over TJ. I suppose they should've looked in their crystal ball to predict his injuries. How is he playing now that he's healthy again?

When exactly did Bosh fall out of favour or begin sucking balls? I'm pretty sure he didn't fall out of favour in Toronto until he picked Miami.

The Hornets wanted Mo Pete when they signed him to an offer sheet which the Raps matched, so I'm not too sure what your point is.

The fact that everyone knew T-Mac was leaving is debatable, but when did he start sucking or fall out of favour?

Now as for selling high:

How has TJ Ford done since being traded by the Raptors? I'd say they sold high there.

How has Charlie V done since the promise he showed in his rookie season and the Raps traded him? I'd say they sold high there.

How has Fred Jones done since the Raps flipped him for a player with a shorter contract and a guy who contributed somewhat? I'd say they sold high there.

How did Antonio Davis and JYD do after they were sent to Chicago? Not as much as Marshall and Rose did here in TO.

How did Mark Jackson and Mugsy Bogues do after they were signed to nice juicy contracts and then flipped for a first round pick and the much more useful Chris Childs who also had a much shorter contract?

JDMtors 01-18-2012 01:35 PM

^ This, a lot of people mentioned by Jeff were not washed up, just letting them leave while they were hot in the market and not wlling to trade.

Another one that comes to mind was the Hedo deal where we ended up getting Barbosa was good too

And Bosh for Durant? I havent heard about that one too, but Im sure BC would of jumped on that deal though

Jose
Demar
Durant
Bargnani
Jonas

Benzo 01-18-2012 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Acie (Post 601787)
Colangelo and Mitchell chose a healthy Jose over TJ. I suppose they should've looked in their crystal ball to predict his injuries. How is he playing now that he's healthy again?

When exactly did Bosh fall out of favour or begin sucking balls? I'm pretty sure he didn't fall out of favour in Toronto until he picked Miami.

The Hornets wanted Mo Pete when they signed him to an offer sheet which the Raps matched, so I'm not too sure what your point is.

The fact that everyone knew T-Mac was leaving is debatable, but when did he start sucking or fall out of favour?

Now as for selling high:

How has TJ Ford done since being traded by the Raptors? I'd say they sold high there.

How has Charlie V done since the promise he showed in his rookie season and the Raps traded him? I'd say they sold high there.

How has Fred Jones done since the Raps flipped him for a player with a shorter contract and a guy who contributed somewhat? I'd say they sold high there.

How did Antonio Davis and JYD do after they were sent to Chicago? Not as much as Marshall and Rose did here in TO.

How did Mark Jackson and Mugsy Bogues do after they were signed to nice juicy contracts and then flipped for a first round pick and the much more useful Chris Childs who also had a much shorter contract?

Shit....someone just got done did.

Raptorman 01-18-2012 01:55 PM

If by "too long" I would agree....about 4 months too long.

As soon as a "star" player refuses an extension mid season, they should be traded. It's "tough love" and probably would piss off a few fans, but it's good business.

How many more assets would we have if we traded Bosh , McBaby, or even Carter (I know, not an extension scenario) to contenders when they refused the Raps offers?

Easy mistake to be made by a new team. But we are not new anymore. Time to play hardball!


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