Do Bosh and Bargnani get along?
Old 12-03-2009, 02:34 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I know the pro-Bosh and pro-Bargnani fans don't get along, but I've been paying attention to this relationship for a good year now because of something I once read in one of the game threads. At first I thought it was crazy, but ever since December of last year, I just don't see them seeing eye to eye.

On the one hand, you have Bosh, who perceives himself to be doing the laymen's work. Working to get boards, attracting double teams and being the face of the franchise and having to deal with everything that comes along with that (plus the expectations of being a no. 4 pick).

On the other hand you have Bargnani. A guy who (I'll judge here) perceives himself to be the best shooter on the team, the one with the most potential if only given the chance and still learning the game and completely comfortable playing on the perimeter.

They're just so-so different yet do you really see them actually liking playing with one another. I feel Bosh, because of the "work" he does feels like he's by himself, while Bargnani is on the perimeter and Bargnani feels like he's being disprespected (?) because he doesn't receive the respect he should get (remember the yelling incident in his rookie year) from Bosh.

Look at how they interact out there. Think about what we're seeing here as fans in re: to AB, and you have to wonder, do the players or are the players seeing the same thing? thinking some guys get a pass and is it a coincidence that they seem to be coming from Jack, Bosh and Wright all guys who seem to be close to Bosh or are Bosh?

I think our lack of chemistry is almost attributed to this fact. I don't think these guys like each other but are forced to work with one another and always thought personally they may not like each other, but it would never carry onto the court. What if it actually has?

This may and well does seem crazy, but watch how they interact. Stars on the same team talk to eachother on the court. These guys are always apart.
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I rarely see Bargs show emotion or talk on the court, why is that?
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i think Bargnani cator's to euro's and he's 24 now, he should know damn well his ceiling isn't where bosh's is. Many valid points and i do agree, Bosh wants a real center and Bargnani wants to play pf and get a real center that grabs 16-18 rebounds to compensate. They don't get along, actually i'm not sure too many on the team like Bargnani at all. there may actually be a euro/african american race war going on in the lockeroom and poor pops doesn't know who to join
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I think they get along but have no chemistry or bond really (like say, TJ and Bosh had). Normally when you pair a young top 5 draft pick with a star, you hope to build the comradery between them so they can grow old together. I see that with Westbrook and Durant on OKC... I do not see it with Bosh and Bargnani at all.

It's probably from a variety for reasons. The language/culture barrier, their games not complimenting each other at all, Bargnani being a sensitive introvert who doesn't seem to connect with anyone, and that in their time starting together we've been losing non stop which is disheartening towards building chemistry

When was the last time we saw "Bosh to BARGNANI!!!". Neither can pass well and create their own shot. The fact that they don't help create plays for each other or help each other's games really hurts and is another reason among many why they're a flawed core to build around.
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how many times do you see Bargnani throw a pass to Bosh and he bobbles it, or it results in a turnover? They quite simply have never been in sync or on the same page. They're both perimeter guys who play differently, and Bargnani has been the one asked to adjust his game to Bosh's, not the other way around.
So, I think, yeah ,Claud, absolutely, Bargnani just kind of drifts around at times on defense, and whether or not that has to do with any animosity behind the scenes i don't know.
But who gives a shit really. Kobe and Shaq hated each other and yet they found it within themselves to work together for a championship. They had a coach they respected who wouldn't take shit, as well as some savvy vets who knew better, and knew how to police their pettiness.
We have a couple of savvy vets, but if the coach isn't hammering people into line, as indicated by the players in today's papers then anything short of Oakley isn't going to get the job done.
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The more I think of it, the more I believe it all comes from Bargnani being introverted. There's some people and players who just aren't meant to form a great connection with those around them, and for whom friendship doesn't come naturally. In his entire career I dont' think I've seen Bargnani connect with anyone. I remember back in his sophmore season he usually sat silently beside Kapono on the bench. I haven't seen him being chummy with Bellinelli this year either. It also fits right in with Jack and Wright's comments about coddling which are clearly pointed at Bargnani, most introverted people like him that because they're self-conscience and unconfident (and most usually figure that out eventually). Clearly Bargnani reacts terribly to any criticism which leads this franchise to "walk on eggshells" regarding his play

That might be the real nail in the coffin for the "Bosh is leaving" express. If you don't have any comradery or partership with the franchise cornerstone your GM stuck you with, why stay. It's clear Bosh has an awesome connection with his Team USA partners Wade and Lebron

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I seem to recall BC raving about Bargnani's score in some "aptitude test" during draft time that supposedly determined that Bargs was "impervious to pressure".

And now he's some gentle flower that needs his hand held and to "feel special" all game every game?

Yeesh.

I agree though. They don't seem to get along at all. And I think that most of it is due to a lack of respect. Bargs hasn't shown that he's willing to do the dirty work on a consistent basis to win games.

When was the last time that you saw Bargs (or Hedo) hit the floor for a loose ball or tear down an offensive rebound in the midst of 3-4 guys?

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I believe in Bosh's post game comments he mentions something about diving for loose balls or something along those lines.
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I believe in Bosh's post game comments he mentions something about diving for loose balls or something along those lines.
yeah, probably directed towards Bargnani who hasn't hit the ground for a ball in his career.
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Where were Bargnani and Hedo for post game comments yesterday? Eating popcorn?
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I also think that Antoine Wright was referencing Bargs when he said that there are players on the team who are too sensitive to take critisism about there play. It is hard as a fan not too take sides when you see the team splitting like this, an its even harder to understand who as a fan can still be pro-Bargs after his recent efforts. Something defintelty has to give, i wish it was Triano getting the boot but its unlikely to happen and even then if there is still a divide between Bosh and Bargs changing the coach alone is not going to solve the problem.
I dont think the divide is as simple as Euros Vs Americans, Bosh and Jose have good chemistry, Amir and Belli seem to have it as well. I cant say ive seen Bargs really get friendly with anyone but he is a hard read due to his shear lack of emotion, regardless of whats going on, and i think that could be a big factor in players interpreting his lack of emotion as him not caring.
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Where were Bargnani and Hedo for post game comments yesterday? Eating popcorn?
they probably bring a suitcase full during road trips
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I also think that Antoine Wright was referencing Bargs when he said that there are players on the team who are too sensitive to take critisism about there play. It is hard as a fan not too take sides when you see the team splitting like this, an its even harder to understand who as a fan can still be pro-Bargs after his recent efforts. Something defintelty has to give, i wish it was Triano getting the boot but its unlikely to happen and even then if there is still a divide between Bosh and Bargs changing the coach alone is not going to solve the problem.
I dont think the divide is as simple as Euros Vs Americans, Bosh and Jose have good chemistry, Amir and Belli seem to have it as well. I cant say ive seen Bargs really get friendly with anyone but he is a hard read due to his shear lack of emotion, regardless of whats going on, and i think that could be a big factor in players interpreting his lack of emotion as him not caring.
I think it was said that Bargs is only friends with Beli outside of basketball or he's the only one thats been to his house. Something along those lines
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I would say the consensus on the team would probably center around the need for Bargnani to improve on D or get less minutes.

Cling mentions Bosh bobbling Bargnani passes. The same thing happens in reverse as well. They just don't quite click. But does Bargnani click with anyone? I expected more to come out of him and Hedo being on the floor.

Anyway - I don't think there is anything personal off the court at all, outside of Bargnani just being a hard guy to get to know perhaps. In the pre-season show, there is some interaction between the two bigs on the bench. Bosh asked Bargs what Belinelli goes by. Bargnani told him Beli. Stretching out any kind of casual conversation with the guy is probably not easy. I don't think there would be enough of Bargnani's personality to ever be on display to allow for any kind of dislike or personality clash to ever develop. But on the court, and in his insistence on needing to get minutes to be able to play well, I can see a definite clash with the culture of any team that wants to get better.
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I think it was said that Bargs is only friends with Beli outside of basketball or he's the only one thats been to his house. Something along those lines
Yeah - that's a big concern for me. Bargnani might be setting himself apart from the team to a large extent. He's got Marco and Maurizio, and that is his little clique. He really needs to become more enmeshed in the fabric of this team.
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i think Bargnani cator's to euro's and he's 24 now, he should know damn well his ceiling isn't where bosh's is. Many valid points and i do agree, Bosh wants a real center and Bargnani wants to play pf and get a real center that grabs 16-18 rebounds to compensate. They don't get along, actually i'm not sure too many on the team like Bargnani at all. there may actually be a euro/african american race war going on in the lockeroom and poor pops doesn't know who to join
oh pops! ROFL

anyway its not about where they get along or not reality is that they have to get along if they want this team to go somewhere.
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i there may actually be a euro/african american race war going on in the lockeroom and poor pops doesn't know who to join
I have been waiting along time for someone to actually question that and be so direct. Congrats GrannyFro
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amazing how much people can read between the (inexistent) lines ...

I keep hearing how Bargnani is the reason we're so bad on D, and yet, when he's on the bench there is zero improvement ... Bosh is averaging 1 block per game, which is a joke compared to what josh smith or garnett or duncan do. Bosh is just as bad as Bargnani on D, but it's hard for people to look at the truth.

Last year we had JO and our defense was almost as bad. And we had to trade JO because he wasn't "getting along" with Bosh on offense.
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When was the last time we saw "Bosh to BARGNANI!!!". Neither can pass well and create their own shot. The fact that they don't help create plays for each other or help each other's games really hurts and is another reason among many why they're a flawed core to build around.[/QUOTE]

Bargs as a passer > Bosh
Bargs creator, vision, play maker > Bosh

Bosh will never let Bargs be a higher scorer then him. Bargs has a higher ceiling then Bosh. Bargs uses the floor better then Bosh. I would give the ball to Bargs for the last possesion over Bosh.

What Bosh has over Bargs are his genetic quicks to get rebounds and his quick twitch muscles that make his feet mover alittle quicker.
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amazing how much people can read between the (inexistent) lines ...

I keep hearing how Bargnani is the reason we're so bad on D, and yet, when he's on the bench there is zero improvement ... Bosh is averaging 1 block per game, which is a joke compared to what josh smith or garnett or duncan do. Bosh is just as bad as Bargnani on D, but it's hard for people to look at the truth.

Last year we had JO and our defense was almost as bad. And we had to trade JO because he wasn't "getting along" with Bosh on offense.
Did you watch last night's game milk?

Did you notice how awesome this team was with Bosh barely playing?

We lost by 40.

'nuff said.
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