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Old 06-25-2012, 01:23 PM   #1 (permalink)
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for what it's worth, hollinger projects this about waiters:

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I have Waiters fourth for similar reasons. His size, 6-foot-4, is more of a concern, but whatever team made him a promise did a wise thing. Waiters projects as the best small wing since Dwyane Wade, and he'd be a steal if somebody got him in the Nos. 8-10 range currently being discussed.
NBA - 2012 NBA Draft Rater - ESPN

Hollinger's controversial to be sure, but his formulas did predict leonard is a good pick and apparently, for wings, past results have been really good in conforming with reality.

waiters is currently projected to slide to 8th, after he was moved to 7th last week on espn's draft board.
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Old 06-25-2012, 01:26 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I don't like this hype on Waiters. Makes me remember what happened to Jonny Flynn.
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Old 06-25-2012, 03:24 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I don't like this hype on Waiters. Makes me remember what happened to Jonny Flynn.
How so?
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Old 06-25-2012, 08:09 PM   #4 (permalink)
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How so?
Flynn went into the NBA with thoughts of being a very good PG. Right now I'd think of him nothing more than a bust.

I hope Waiters can be a solid NBA player. Something about Cuse players underachieving in the NBA saddens me. Its like a stigma
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Old 06-25-2012, 08:19 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I wouldn't mind us drafting Waiters
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Old 06-25-2012, 08:20 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I wouldn't mind us drafting Waiters
I'd be happy. Last cuse player that played for the Raptors was John Wallace. Be nice Raps get Waiters and watch him develop here
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Old 06-25-2012, 08:33 PM   #7 (permalink)
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shouldn't the best player on your team at least start, especially in college

isn't that a little troubling that he didn't start and that his stats arent the best on the team, kris joseph had better stats and he is going late in the second round

i guess i support the marvin williams theory if you cant start for your college team your not good enough to take eary in the draft and thats what the Raptors are about to do
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Old 06-25-2012, 08:49 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Comparing him to Dwyane Wade has to be a joke.
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Old 06-25-2012, 09:14 PM   #9 (permalink)
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shouldn't the best player on your team at least start, especially in college

isn't that a little troubling that he didn't start and that his stats arent the best on the team, kris joseph had better stats and he is going late in the second round

i guess i support the marvin williams theory if you cant start for your college team your not good enough to take eary in the draft and thats what the Raptors are about to do
Waiters didn't start but he was the best guard on the team. His stats and play reflect that. He also did recieve starters type minutes. Boheim liked the second spark he gave starting late AND he was always in clutch situations. I think it was mainly to keep Scoop happy as he was a little bit of a problem in his Cuse career. Boheim gave scoop the image in was his rock but took it away quickly and got the combo situation working with dion
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Old 06-26-2012, 01:45 AM   #10 (permalink)
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shouldn't the best player on your team at least start, especially in college

isn't that a little troubling that he didn't start and that his stats arent the best on the team, kris joseph had better stats and he is going late in the second round

i guess i support the marvin williams theory if you cant start for your college team your not good enough to take eary in the draft and thats what the Raptors are about to do
doesn't matter who starts. it matters who finishes the game.
and I'm pretty sure he was on the court late in the game
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Old 06-26-2012, 09:59 AM   #11 (permalink)
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He played what, about 24/25 mpg? He was a part of a deep rotation that highlighted his strengths + hid his weaknesses. I don't want the raps to draft another guy like dd or Bargs who has major flaws that need to be covered. I also want the raps' pick to be used to be playing mad minutes.
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He played what, about 24/25 mpg? He was a part of a deep rotation that highlighted his strengths + hid his weaknesses. I don't want the raps to draft another guy like dd or Bargs who has major flaws that need to be covered. I also want the raps' pick to be used to be playing mad minutes.
neither do I, but that's a damn hard to achieve!? We could easily end up getting someone not as good as Bargs or DD.
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Old 06-26-2012, 11:45 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Good article on Waiters by David Aldridge on NBA.COM. Around the same time last year, Aldridge was raving about Jonas. I agree with the last comment, Raptors need a leader (Alpha Male):

"But Syracuse's Dion Waiters is coming on like a freight train, with sources insistent that he'll be gone somewhere between No. 6 (Portland) and No. 8 (Toronto) after earlier rumors had Phoenix making a promise to take Waiters at 13. The Kings could shake loose a few additional assets if they let it be known they're looking hard at Waiters, whose offensive skills continue to have NBA types drooling."

"His talent, it's exceptional," one scout said Saturday. "There's no guard in the Draft that can do what he does."

"Toronto also supposedly has a jones for Waiters, with sources saying that Coach Dwane Casey wants an "alpha male" for his still-young squad."
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Old 06-26-2012, 11:50 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Comparing him to Dwyane Wade has to be a joke.
How so? if you actually look at the way he plays, its exactly like D-wades game... total spitting image.
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neither do I, but that's a damn hard to achieve!? We could easily end up getting someone not as good as Bargs or DD.
We'll get someone better than DD.
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Old 06-26-2012, 02:23 PM   #17 (permalink)
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We'll get someone better than DD.
you really can't at all say this in a draft. a draft is a guess in the dark, sure scouting is there, but it is never surefire. look at darko

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He played what, about 24/25 mpg? He was a part of a deep rotation that highlighted his strengths + hid his weaknesses. I don't want the raps to draft another guy like dd or Bargs who has major flaws that need to be covered. I also want the raps' pick to be used to be playing mad minutes.
I'd be more concerned about waiters adjusting to man to man defense than playing "mad minutes".
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you really can't at all say this in a draft. a draft is a guess in the dark, sure scouting is there, but it is never surefire. look at darko

International players are harder to scout
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Old 06-26-2012, 03:49 PM   #20 (permalink)
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That because Aldridge loves Toronto plus the fact that he wanted the Raptors to win the lottery this year
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