dion waiters

pzabby · 06-26-2012, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by moremilk

International players are harder to scout

do you really want me to make you a list of solely american born players who were busts? are we that racist?

LOG · 06-26-2012, 07:01 PM

The more i see and read about him the more i hope he will fall to us

carp · 06-26-2012, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by pzabby

do you really want me to make you a list of solely american born players who were busts? are we that racist?

it's not about racism, it's about logistics, accessibility and competition.

Don Vito · 06-26-2012, 07:47 PM

Chad ford talking about Waiters. Apparently he worked out for the Raptors & they loved him. Also Ford compares him to Monta Ellis. I'm liking Waiters more and more...

Dion Waiters Draft Stock - YouTube

DVS · 06-26-2012, 08:25 PM

Sounds like Waiters is getting more love here without even playing a game. I guess calling off workouts really got people digging.

Wonder what Casey thinks getting a kid who has barely played one defensive man to man set in college.

Don Vito · 06-26-2012, 09:52 PM

This guy is the real deal. Waiters or fuck all.

pzabby · 06-26-2012, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by carp

it's not about racism, it's about logistics, accessibility and competition.

i'll agree with the bolded. sure, nice point. but logistics? competition? what do you mean by logistics exactly? and competition wise people in Europe generally play against better competition that people in the NCAA. I severely dislike it when people say europe is a "soft" league where those who didn't make it in the NBA go to play. may be true as there are more teams, hence more spots, but it would be as a bench fodder for those that "couldn't cut it in the NBA". Europe is just a completely different style of game. it's almost like comparing rugby and football, 2 completely different sports. OK, maybe not THAT much, but the point stands.

dfunkie1 · 06-26-2012, 10:26 PM

"You don't know what you're talking about, do...

Dark Knight · 06-26-2012, 10:36 PM

Seems like every week it's a new prospect that every one is making a big fuss about. Austin Rivers is so last week.

LET'S GO RAPTORS!!!!! · 06-26-2012, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DVS

I'd be more concerned about waiters adjusting to man to man defense than playing "mad minutes".

That's obviously a concern too. However, if Waiters is being hailed for his talent and his "the man" mentality, he has to play like "the man". Look at Bargs this year - DC pushed him to his limutes - minutes wise. It didn't work out. If Waiters is here it's to replace DD.

LET'S GO RAPTORS!!!!! · 06-26-2012, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by pzabby

you really can't at all say this in a draft. a draft is a guess in the dark, sure scouting is there, but it is never surefire. look at darko

Darko, much like Kwame Brown, is a decent player. If they were drafted in the teens they wouldn't be made fun of.

DVS · 06-26-2012, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by LET'S GO RAPTORS!!!!!

That's obviously a concern too. However, if Waiters is being hailed for his talent and his "the man" mentality, he has to play like "the man". Look at Bargs this year - DC pushed him to his limutes - minutes wise. It didn't work out. If Waiters is here it's to replace DD.

Personally wouldn't start waiters first year. I'd like him to backup DD and push him out of his spot. Make for a great conversation all season.

JoeyJoJo Shabbadu · 06-26-2012, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Don Vito

This guy is the real deal. Waiters or fuck all.

I can't wait to bump this post in 3 years.

LET'S GO RAPTORS!!!!! · 06-27-2012, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by DVS

Personally wouldn't start waiters first year. I'd like him to backup DD and push him out of his spot. Make for a great conversation all season.

it shouldn't be that hard for him to beat out DD.

Windex · 06-27-2012, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeyJoJo Shabbadu

I can't wait to bump this post in 3 years.

can't wait to bump it after the first week...

Dion Waiters aka Rodney Stuckey lite

LET'S GO RAPTORS!!!!! · 06-27-2012, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Windex

can't wait to bump it after the first week...

Dion Waiters aka Rodney Stuckey lite

The only problem with Stuckey was that they forced him to play PG for a few seasons when he is actually a SG.

carp · 06-27-2012, 12:08 PM

Whomever mentioned Waiters being like Stuckey just killed all enthusiasm I had towards him..... makes me think of other comparisons, Harkless to DeRozan?

Waiters being 6'2" without shoes really worries me. Beal gets torched for size and he measured in at 6'3.25"

LET'S GO RAPTORS!!!!! · 06-27-2012, 12:15 PM

Waiters is 6 foot 2? - that's not good.

moremilk · 06-27-2012, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by pzabby

do you really want me to make you a list of solely american born players who were busts? are we that racist?

Sure, go ahead
But the list should include players who didn't come with warning flags. For example, thabeet came with major questions, it's memphis who fucked up by drafting him too high. Same with guys like morrison or even fredette.

You will not find many picks who had issues that were not forecasted by scouts.

Don Vito · 06-27-2012, 01:03 PM

Monta Ellis is 6'2'' without shoes, I'm not really worried about his "real" height.

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