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Old 11-07-2008, 03:43 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Question Dino Nation: What Can Bryan Colangelo Do?

Good read from James at Dino Nation. Discuss our troubles at the SF spot and what can BC do to rectify those concerns.

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Bryan Colangelo is no doubt one of the best and brightest executives in the NBA. That being said he has a serious issue with his Toronto Raptors. Jamario Moon and Joey Graham are just not good enough to cut it as a starting small forward for a team that expects to be a contender in the Eastern Conference. You can argue and debate that point but look around at the talent in the league at this position. The irony of things is since Vince Carter left the Raptors there has never been anyone to replace him. Every other spot on the floor is likely better. Jose Calderon is making Colangelo look very good for choosing him over T.J Ford in the offseason. Chris Bosh and Jermaine O'Neal have the makings of being the best two front court players the Raptors have ever had at the same time. Bringing in O'Neal also gave Colangelo the money to ensure that Chris Bosh will remain with the Raptors. You can hear all the Chris Bosh is going to (Insert Team Here) you like. Bryan Colangelo has enough cash to keep Chris for his next contract. He also has enough left over money to bring back O'Neal if it works out or if not maybe can even look to bring in one of the other big name free agents that will hit the market in 2010. Anthony Parker is a solid shooting guard that offers above average defensive skill. So basically other than the position Vince Carter played the Raptors have a solid starting line-up.

back to the Eastern Conference. So how can Bryan fix things? The ante to be a contender in the Eastern Conference has been raised by Joe Dumars bringing Allen Iverson. Can Colangelo do something to improve his team. That is the problem. To start let's agree that Bosh, Calderon and O'Neal are untouchable. I can not see anything that makes any of those players available unless a huge star was on the table like a Kobe or Lebron. Something tells me that is not happening. So who realistically has any value for the Toronto Raptors? Andrea Bargnani is likely the most attractive player beyond the three mentioned. But Colangelo has not seemed willing to part with his first overall selection. He struggled last season and has had a better beginning to this one showing a new found defensive effort. His offense has been very hit and miss. But I just can't see Colangelo giving up on Andrea at this point. The only other players that you may be able to move are Anthony Parker and Jason Kapono. In the case of Parker he does have an expiring contract and is thought to be seriously looking at a return to Europe. So maybe a team with need for cap room next off-season would have a look. But Parker in not a huge salary guy. So the player you get back is likely not the major upgrade the Raptors would need and they lose the teams best defender on the wing. Jason Kapono and his three point shot making would be attractive for some teams. But in this new Raptor offense and with a very thin bench seems highly remote that he will be moved.

But it is not just a case of not having an asset to move. There is the cap and luxury tax that the Raptors are just barely avoiding paying. The thought is that the Raptors are unwilling to go beyond that level and pay the tax. Well more like MLSE is unwilling to go beyond the tax. It makes you wonder can Bryan Colangelo go into the tax level if he truly wants to take the risk on someone in a trade? When Bryan Colangelo was brought in, we were told he had complete control of all basketball matters. Does that mean going over the tax if he feels the need to do that? Jose Calderon who the Raptors wanted to resign badly and after the trading of T.J Ford really had no choice but to do so. He had his deal re-worked at the last minute so the Raptors could remain safe and under the tax threshold cap. Nice gesture by Jose for sure but he had every right to say no. Would the Raptors have gone into the tax to resign him regardless? We will never know. If i had Bryan Colangelo for an interview that is question number one. Can you go over the tax threshold if you make a choice to do so? I some how think I would not get a direct answer to that.
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So how on earth does Bryan Colangelo solve his growing problem at the small forward spot? He really is in a jam and I am not sure how he gets out of it to be honest. Still this is the guy that was able to trade Hoffa and actually turn him into an asset in Kris Humphries. So I never say never when it comes to Bryan. Knowing the type of guy he is as well makes you think he will not just want to sit and do nothing. Bryan Colangelo had two missions this off-season and he could only accomplish one to this point. It was a big one in bringing J.O to T.O but still. Bryan Colangelo really has a tough challenge in front of him in the short term. I think if he is honest he knows he has to do something. But what and how can he? This is why I write a blog and they pay Bryan Colangelo the big bucks. I really do not know what the Raptors can do. However I am convinced that if this team does not upgrade the bench and address the problem at small forward, they may be in serious trouble.
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Old 11-07-2008, 06:23 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Don't think it is up to BC now
Smitch must turn his benchwarmers into valuable pieces.
Hassan, Hump, PGs are not utilized; Moon, Graham, Kapono are not playing the way they should and could.
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Old 11-07-2008, 08:45 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Don't think it is up to BC now
Smitch must turn his benchwarmers into valuable pieces.
Hassan, Hump, PGs are not utilized; Moon, Graham, Kapono are not playing the way they should and could.
Personally I think the should of fired Sam and hired Mike D'antoni,
well have to see how the season plays out, because i agree with you on how he doesn't utilize all of his bench pieces
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Old 11-07-2008, 08:51 PM   #4 (permalink)
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i seriously doubt sacrificing what little depth you have is a smart personnel move when to bring a legit swing in will probably cost Bargnani and someone else. we're 13 guys, and if the injury bug hits, well the ship be sinking fast on this season. you have to think about injuries and depth and right now, with being so close to the cap with the money grubbers at MLSE colangelo isn't in much of a position to do anything.

what we need is to play to our strengths, and instead of always being exposed for our weaknessess, begin to expose back so to speak. hammer people in the paint, kill them at the free throw line, and when they collapse, kill from beyond the arc.
Also, run Bosh and Calderon screen and roll almost every time down the court, it'll make for boring basketball but it's their most effective play. you want something else, get a new coach, see what they can create.
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Old 11-08-2008, 12:24 AM   #5 (permalink)
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When teams do not doe well sometimes you have to ask about the coach. I know our personnel is not the the best right now but it seems all around the league we see guys over achieving because of how their strengths are being used. We have to think of our 13 payers as chess players and everybody has a role. We can't afford to have such a tight rotation.

Smitch is good at getting the players motivated but stategy is not his strength. We need to bring in a veteren successful coach. BC said that he would go into the luxury tax if it would make the team more successful.

Eat the cost and get a new coach.

Let Sam free. He will become a better coach once he gets fired. Until then we are not going to see anything better come out of him.

Sorry Sam I really like you but not for this Team.
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Old 11-08-2008, 01:00 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Yes, he isnt using the bench that has been horrible all season properly, he should just play them even tho they dont do squat but squander leads or make other teams leads bigger.
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Old 11-08-2008, 12:12 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I really wonder whether the raps think O'Neal is untouchable. Or, is if no one would want his contract.

What if O'Neal continues to get better, and gets to a point where he's 17-18ppg, 8-9 rbs / game, and 3-4 blocks per game by the 30-game mark. Do you think that Colangelo can turn him into a 10pt/10rb centre and a starting wing, while still maintain some sort of his flexibility in 2010? A tall order, but I wonder whether a situation exists like that.

Personally, if we can move O'Neal for a starting centre and wing, then I'm all for it. And, when it comes to resigning Bosh, can't they then go into the tax threshold? Can someone explain the Bird exemption... I don't feel like looking it up. : )
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LARRY BIRD EXCEPTION -- This is the best known one. Players who qualify for this exception are called "Qualifying Veteran Free Agents" in the CBA, and this exception is a component of the Veteran Free Agent exception. This exception allows teams to exceed the salary cap to re-sign their own free agents, up to the player's maximum salary. The player must have played for three seasons without being waived or changing teams as a free agent. This means a player can obtain "Bird rights" by playing under three one-year contracts, a single contract of at least three years, or any combination. It also means that when a player is traded, his Bird rights are traded with him, and his new team can use the Bird exception to re-sign him. These contracts can be up to six years in length. A player can receive raises up to 10.5% of the salary in the first season of the contract. This exception is known as the Larry Bird exception because the Celtics were the first team allowed to exceed the cap to keep their own free agent, and the player happened to be Bird.

There is one more limit to the maximum salary that can be given using the Larry Bird exception. If the player was a first round draft pick and just completed the third year of his rookie scale contract, but his team did not exercise their option to extend the contract for the fourth season (see question number 41), then this exception cannot be used to give him a salary greater than he would have received had the team exercised their fourth year option. In other words, teams can't decline the option in order to get around the salary scale and give the player more money.

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I really wonder whether the raps think O'Neal is untouchable. Or, is if no one would want his contract.

What if O'Neal continues to get better, and gets to a point where he's 17-18ppg, 8-9 rbs / game, and 3-4 blocks per game by the 30-game mark. Do you think that Colangelo can turn him into a 10pt/10rb centre and a starting wing, while still maintain some sort of his flexibility in 2010? A tall order, but I wonder whether a situation exists like that.

Personally, if we can move O'Neal for a starting centre and wing, then I'm all for it. And, when it comes to resigning Bosh, can't they then go into the tax threshold? Can someone explain the Bird exemption... I don't feel like looking it up. : )
Don't be ridiculous, we are NOT going to trade O'Neal at this point and we are certainly not going to get a starting-caliber centre AND wing for him.
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Old 11-08-2008, 12:24 PM   #10 (permalink)
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in the nba games are won and lost by the starters, not the bench. Sure, from time to time you have a game where the bench is on fire, but most of the time, and especially in the playoffs, the starters will make the difference.
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we might trade O'Neal this summer to one of the teams that want to get cap space for 2010. 22 millions in cap space will be gold next summer, and we could get some serious players (probably older - but still).
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we might trade O'Neal this summer to one of the teams that want to get cap space for 2010. 22 millions in cap space will be gold next summer, and we could get some serious players (probably older - but still).
I'm fine with that. I'm just saying its too early to sell the farm on JO when we just acquired him and its still early in the season.
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Personally I think the should of fired Sam and hired Mike D'antoni,
well have to see how the season plays out, because i agree with you on how he doesn't utilize all of his bench pieces
Run and gun with Jermaine O'neal and Calderon=fail?
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It should be pointed out that even if you were going to trade J.O, (Which isn't Going To Happen) The CBA would restrict that trade until Mid-December.
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Do we have a 2nd round pick this year, or is it gone from the Delfino trade (I guess it doesn't matter, we can trade futures too)? Could we trade one for another body on the wings? Obviously not a star, but someone like say... Damien Wilkins? OKC's giving him about 8 minutes a game this year, he's better than that. Maybe package Graham and a future 2nd or something for him.
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Do we have a 2nd round pick this year, or is it gone from the Delfino trade (I guess it doesn't matter, we can trade futures too)? Could we trade one for another body on the wings? Obviously not a star, but someone like say... Damien Wilkins? OKC's giving him about 8 minutes a game this year, he's better than that. Maybe package Graham and a future 2nd or something for him.
Yea 2009's and 2011's second round picks are gone to Detroit in the Delfino trade
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Don't be ridiculous, we are NOT going to trade O'Neal at this point and we are certainly not going to get a starting-caliber centre AND wing for him.
Dude, read carefully. I said the 30-game mark. And, the wing doesn't have to be a big name, just someone that can go to the hole.
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Yea 2009's and 2011's second round picks are gone to Detroit in the Delfino trade
Just another way Dumars outsmarted Colangelo, I'm starting to think we should have hired Dumars.
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Just another way Dumars outsmarted Colangelo, I'm starting to think we should have hired Dumars.
How often does a 2nd round pick turn out. Joe Dumars is a great G.M but just cause he got 2 seconds for Carlos Delfino is not exactly going to put Joe in the G.M hall of fame.
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