Dino Nation: Raptors Face Early Challenge To Save The Season
Old 11-24-2008, 08:59 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Good read from James at Dino Nation and he asks some good questions with the main one being .... how do we fix this mess?

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So how does this team dig itself out of this mess. If you ask the fans they will mostly point the finger at Sam Mitchell and say that he needs to be fired. There is a number of candidates out on the market that could fill his seat. The top 3 names on that list would be Flip Saunders, Avery Johnson and Jeff Van Gundy. All of which would be considered the best 3 coaches not currently with a job in the NBA. If you made that change, the Raptors would have to learn a totally new system. Doing it with out much time for practice, with a lot of banged up bodies and a short roster.You have to wonder how easy that would be to do? It is easy to say fire Sam but that is something that you need to consider. I fully admit Sam Mitchell has not been making much of a case for keeping his job recently. But just by making a change the Raptors will not magically get better. It will take time and it may be time they just don't have in an improved Eastern Conference. I am not saying that makes Sam Mitchell bullet proof by any means. After every loss the chances increase that despite what I have laid out the Raptors may have no choice but to give it a shot.

However that coach will still face all that Sam Mitchell has had to deal with. The lack of depth and a bench, injuries to two of his three star players. A lack of a real option at point guard to play behind Jose Calderon. A team that has not been able to defend consistently. All of these issues will still remain with or without Sam Mitchell. These are issues some of which are things that Bryan Colangelo must address. He after all is the one that put this roster together. He is the one that handed these risks to Sam Mitchell to have to deal with. You can judge how Sam has dealt with those challenges but you have to include Bryan Colangelo in the mix for the construction of this roster. If Bryan feels that this is as much his fault in some ways it may not be as bad for Sam as people think. But still some of things of late are not exactly giving Bryan Colangelo reason to give Sam Mitchell a pass for some of the problems that Bryan put on his plate.
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Whatever Bryan Colangelo does he must be mindful of Chris Bosh. It is not that Bryan Colangelo needs Bosh's stamp of approval to do anything he likes. But the fact that everyone is talking about 2010 and Chris Bosh is human and can not help but notice all the many articles, blogs and media that are suggesting and in some cases saying they know where he will be in 2010. But I do want to make a point for all of you folks that seem to think this matters. Actually I got 2 points for you. The first is that this is not the first time people have talked about Bosh prior to a contract expiring. Phil Jackson right in Toronto made a suggestion that was good enough to get him fined that he would have interest in Bosh coming to the Lakers. Still Chris Bosh would resign in Toronto and never end up with them. Also you have the example of Vince Carter to look at. V.C re-signed in Toronto and he did it to get the most money. He would after look to be traded out of town with that extra money in his back pocket. I think Chris Bosh is just as smart as Vince Carter and maybe even a lot smarter to be honest. Vince may have his UNC degree in Afro American studies but despite Bosh only having a year of college it is clear he is a highly intelligent young man. So it would make sense for him to resign with the Raptors and get a contract that offers him the most money and if things are not to his liking after that point ask in a much more quiet way to be dealt from Toronto if he was unhappy. One thing I do know is that for as long as Bosh wears that number 4 Raptor jersey he will bust his butt. Happy or not he has far to much character to go out the way V.C did. That would allow Bryan Colangelo to look for a way to convince Bosh he made the right move to re-sign in Toronto by signing another big name to play along side him. There are lots of other names in 2010 that can fill that bill.
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Old 11-24-2008, 09:11 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Old 11-24-2008, 09:28 AM   #3 (permalink)
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If change in personnel is the answer, and if change is in the air with this roster, then given the cap constraints and the kind of guys Colangelo could offer, one has to assume that one coach going and another coming in would be the easiest change for Colangelo to make. Maybe under a new coach with a new system this roster becomes something else entirely. maybe worse maybe better, who knows.

The real question that none of us know is how much Colangelo thinks the coaching staff is accountable for this 6-7 start, with a tough road trip ahead of us. This team has a propensity for winning a few in a row, and losing a few in a row. Which I think is more frustrating for a GM because it's so tantalizing. The coach can say, yeah we can play with anyone, and then say, yeah we need to go back and watch some film. If players aren't sticking to the game plan, then you have to wonder if they've tuned him out or he's not communicating it to them in way that they can understand.
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It has nothing to do with a gameplan. Jose is a weak link on D. Always has been and always will be. And there's nobody on this team that can strengthen the perimeter to make up for that weak link. I think any coach that would come in here right now would be a little crazy, especially if it's the kind of coach that JVG or Avery represent. I think just bringing in a new coach would seal the deal on Bosh leaving town.
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It has nothing to do with a gameplan. Jose is a weak link on D. Always has been and always will be. And there's nobody on this team that can strengthen the perimeter to make up for that weak link. I think any coach that would come in here right now would be a little crazy, especially if it's the kind of coach that JVG or Avery represent. I think just bringing in a new coach would seal the deal on Bosh leaving town.
Jose's weak defense is an understatement. I knew it was his achilles heal, but yesterday was disgusting. He didn't even challenge Rondo which makes me wonder how bad is that hammy of his?

Anyhow, as critical as most of are of Parker and his defense this season, I think he's stretching himself thin with trying to clean up other players messes with his own help defense which in turn is leaving his man wide open most times. Others need to step up on help defense too because if AP is the only one then we're going to see many more outcomes like we saw yesterday. Guys like Bosh, Moon and Kapono have to step it up in my opinion on defense.
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LX its all about the game plan. Granted Calderon is not not the quickest on his feet, but hell its not the only position that starts the break down with dribble penetration. If with had to switch our PG's around, Jose plays with Boston and Rondo for Toronto. What do you think would happen ? Jose would have have a career night against the Raptors. If Jose would attack the basket like Rondo he would get at least 20 dimes. What did Rondo get... 4 dimes against us. The Celtics would have traded Rondo to us for Calderon last year in a heart beat. Our team just quit yesterday which raises a big concern in the organization. Something is going on with this team....they are so inconsistant, player rotations are shit and the ability to counter attack changes made against us is non existant. For execution to take place you must pay attention to detail, you must work hard, and you must believe in your game plan.
In the Boston game I thought we did not believe in the game plan. We paid no attention to detail, which resulted in piss poor effort.
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Old 11-24-2008, 11:55 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Hmmm... Avery Johnson you say? That would be interesting...
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The thing that bothers me is that a lot of people seem to be under the impression that NO ONE could make this roster perform better than Sam could.

Would someone care to tell me WHY that is?

Coaches like Jackson, Popovich, Brown (IMO) and Auerbach deserve that kind of respect.

Sam Mitchell does not.
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Jose was bad the last two games -that much is true. He was unusually bad, so the injury must have something to do with it. However, I want to point two things:

1. Bosh was just as bad, one on one vs Garnett he was destroyed on Sunday.
2. Our overall defense is also bad. Everytime Jose was turning the corner on the celtics, there was a big coming to stop his progress, and despite that, there was no free man on Jose's side of the ball. We never do that with the opposing guard. Sure, Jose was completely beat off the dribble a coiple of times by Rondo - but that wasn't where the game was lost. Most of the time, if somebody turns the corner on us, they go almost all the way to the basket. And not just vs boston, most games is like that, despite having a premiere defender in JO in the post.

I could also add that for some reason we double everything that moves - it's our primary defensive tool and I have serious doubts it's the right one. Why on Earth are we doubling when JO is in the post?
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C'mon - Garnett had to do some work to score. Jose's man always scores easily, and also creates easy baskets for other players as a result of the blowbys. You talk about turning the corner Milk - but I just saw straight paths to the basket every time down. Jose actually seems to jump out of the way.

All of that was clear last season already. And I'm just sick of seeing games lost as a result. If we face any team - good or shit - that has a quick pg and a wing player that can score when given the chance, then we will tend to lose. By the time it gets to the fourth quarter it just becomes no contest, as long as the opposing team follows the most sensible gameplan to use against us.
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The thing that bothers me is that a lot of people seem to be under the impression that NO ONE could make this roster perform better than Sam could.

Would someone care to tell me WHY that is?

Coaches like Jackson, Popovich, Brown (IMO) and Auerbach deserve that kind of respect.

Sam Mitchell does not.
You're right - they should hire Auerbach as an assistant.
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