Dino Nation: Is Jose Calderon part of the problem?
Old 12-03-2008, 04:10 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Question Dino Nation: Is Jose Calderon part of the problem?

Alright guys and gals .... let's get it all out now. As James discusses at Dino Nation today, would some agree that Jose is most certainly apart of this team's current problems or no?

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Is Jose Calderon part of the problem?

I understand many love Jose Calderon and I am a fan of him as well. But unlike most I was not sure about him stepping in and being able to take on the role as starter. The two concerns I had have been realized. The first was Jose Calderon as a defender. He is not a good on the ball defender and as a result the breakdowns that have been glaring at times usually start with him. Yes it is true Jose has been injured but that only makes this lack of defense a more glaring problem. But it always has been even at 100% healthy. He often gets beat by quicker point guards and that is the first break down in a chain reaction that cause people to help and it eventually leads in most cases to open looks as the help leads to other help and in the end a breakdown. Jack Armstrong has an expression and it is that help is the weakest word in the defensive vocabulary. Jose Calderon needs to make himself a better individual defender. As much as he values the ball on offense he must bring that same pride to the defensive end of the floor.

The second issue is pushing the ball and creating fast break chances. I have watched many times and seen Jose Calderon pass on a slightly more risky option to push the ball. Risk can equal reward in the sense the Raptors can get easier points based on those risks. I will gladly take the odd extra turnover if it leads to more easy points for the Raptor offense. The Raptors are dead last in fast break points and that falls on two things. The effort of your team to run the floor. But also your point guard rewarding the players when the do make that effort. If the effort is not made the people stop running. The Raptors can not get trapped into running it's pick and roll game in the half court all of the time. They are not the Utah Jazz in the sense that even though they run that offense on an above average level. It is not something that can work over the long haul of the 48 minutes of a game. That is why we see the slumps on the offensive end that we do. Even the Jazz are a team that also will look to score in transition if that is available. The easier the Raptors can get points the better it will be for them in the long run. On nights like last night when they are not shooting well it can become quite ugly. This is not to say that Jose Calderon is not able to be a starter in this league. I think he can indeed. But he does need a back-up that offers the skills that he lacks and I am not sure that he should be playing the number of minutes he has been. It is not to say that Raptors could not have made this work without T.J Ford. But they needed to offer more in a back-up than what they have provided in Ukic and Solomon with all due respect to them. Also the thing that should be said that both Jose Calderon and T.J Ford both had flaws. That is what made the Ford vs. Calderon was so debated to length that it was by Raptor Fans.
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Old 12-03-2008, 04:16 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Guess we should have kept TJ ford. We can trade Jose when he becomes an all-star...
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Old 12-03-2008, 04:21 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Hm...
Yes its true that he's a bit slow...doesn't run the fast break


But how the f you run fast break with pick and roll..
its sam mitchell guys. his offence is strickly PICK AND ROLL. or open shooter.

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Joey has sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much potential. Mitchel CANNOT UTLIIZE IT.

Also.
He also encourages JO to take 5-10 feet jump shots. WE DONT NEED THAT FROM HIM. GOSH.
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Old 12-03-2008, 04:22 PM   #5 (permalink)
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If Jose can regain the aggressiveness that we saw for most of last year, then we'll all forget about his shortcomings and start talking all-star again.
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Old 12-03-2008, 04:26 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Just to point out I do talk on other issues as well and offer some suggestions beyond just pointing out the bad.
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Old 12-03-2008, 04:29 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Here's Dino Blogger's Plan of Attack.

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Here is just one example of something that might solve a few issues for the Raptors. Stephon Marbury is not a wing but is expected to be bought out by the Knicks. He is someone that both Bryan Colangelo and Sam Mitchell know well. That is assuming Mitchell is here. Which to this point he is. The Raptors should sign him and they should make a trade for a wing. The Dallas Mavericks have a player that fits the bill. Josh Howard has fallen out of favour for his actions in Dallas. So if I had my hand on the controls I would trade Jason Kapono and Joey Graham to Dallas for Howard. The Marbury signing would keep the Raptor roster legal at 13 players. This is just one example of what could be done if the Raptors truly mean that they will go over the tax threshold. It is one option that I think answers 3 major problems. A true back up point guard, A solid defender and scorer on the wing, more depth for the bench as Bargnani and Marbury would be added to what the Raptors would have coming off the bench.
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Kapono/Joey for Howard?

Howard would have to be about as popular in Dallas as Sean Avery for that to happen.
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Marbury and Howard will not be raptors...

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they should sign and trade him? are u thick?
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they should sign and trade him? are u thick?
I didn't see a mention of a S&T.
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Old 12-03-2008, 04:41 PM   #12 (permalink)
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they should sign and trade him? are u thick?
Easy now ... no need to be insulting.
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Hm...
Yes its true that he's a bit slow...doesn't run the fast break


But how the f you run fast break with pick and roll..
its sam mitchell guys. his offence is strickly PICK AND ROLL. or open shooter.

For ex.
Joey has sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much potential. Mitchel CANNOT UTLIIZE IT.

Also.
He also encourages JO to take 5-10 feet jump shots. WE DONT NEED THAT FROM HIM. GOSH.
You do realize that a fast break is different from a half court set right? Yes, of course it's Mitchell's fault for Jose not pushing the ball right and shooting it to the wing.

Running a fast break is ALL on the PGs and no one else.
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Kapono/Joey for Howard?

Howard would have to be about as popular in Dallas as Sean Avery for that to happen.
Well lets review. talks about smoking pot during playoffs mavs get killed. Disrespects the U.S national anthem in Texas.

I respectful suggest he is far more known and far more hated than Sean Avery

Mark Cuban had a wack of hate mail in the summer if you remember.
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Old 12-03-2008, 04:45 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Marbury and Howard will not be raptors...

...BC likes character guys.
J.o had some thing in Detroit anyone remember what that was? The Character guy thing has not worked out so hot has it?
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Old 12-03-2008, 04:52 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Jose needs to be more aggressive and to risk a little bit more. Forget the Assists/TOs ratio, what Raptors needs is Wins ... Don't make stupid TOs but I don't mind to see a TO or two while trying to penetrate and either go for a layup or if defense is to tight to pass to the open man. Running the ball along 3PT line and then passing to Kapono or AP when the defense is setup won't help them to make the jumper. Also, JO/CB4/AB getting the ball too far away from basket and all defense around them, is not going to give us easy baskets, it will be everything the hard way, by the 4th quarter most of our guys are out of gas. I like the way Roko is trying to play, definitively more aggressive and looking to go to basket, although Roko still needs a lot of work to be able to run a team efficient and without mistakes.

So, bottom line, Jose is part of the problem but not the biggest one, our two main problems are SWING and DEPTH.
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Andrea Bargnani, and Jose Calderon, for Steve Nash?
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Andrea Bargnani, and Jose Calderon, for Steve Nash?
No way .... Who is going to play for Raptors if you give away two young players for an old player who can go only down from now on.
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the problem with jose is his total lack of defense and that he's basically only good at running the set play, he has no vision to see beyond what the set has taught him to do, so when he pick and roll with cb4, he's only looking for cb and doesn't even glance at others, basically he's kind of running the offense in a paint by numbers connect the dots style
1 - get to the halfcourt, 2 - wait for the others to space themselves up, 3 - drive when cb4 picks for you, 4 - take about 3 dribbles and turn back 180 degrees to pass to cb4, 5 - now get out of his way
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The people who advocate that we keep TJ have to realize that TJ is a complete liability on defence as well due to his height and tendency to gamble for steals.
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