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Dr. J. Naismith 11-15-2008 04:29 PM

Dino Nation: Jose Calderon Is The Most Important Raptor?
 
Does it go without saying Jose's our most important player or would you disagree? :confused2:

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Originally Posted by Dino Nation
Jose Calderon Is The Most Important Raptor?

Short answer for this one is YES. But I will offer a little more than that. Chris Bosh is no doubt the leader and franchise player of this team. That being said could the Raptors win games with a combo of Jermaine O'Neal and Andrea Bargnani instead of Chris. It would be harder to get the wins and it would take both J.O and Andrea stepping up. But I think it would be possible. That being said you take away Jose Calderon and leave his role to Solomon and Ukic. That goal of getting wins becomes very hard indeed. Could the Raptors beat some bad teams with that duo? Yeah they likely could get the odd game. But against any team with any kind of quality the Raptors would be hard pressed to find wins. This is why at this point and time Calderon is the most important Raptor. I have said it many times in this blog that point guard is the most important position on a basketball team. Unless you have a superstar that can handle the ball and create his own scoring a quality point guard is key. Even if you have that guy a point guard only adds to his success. Many basketball people will agree with this point and it is key for a team like the Raptors who are depending on 2 bigs to get the bulk of the touches and scoring.

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insight_tor 11-15-2008 05:11 PM

Crap ... CB4 is the most important Raptors. End of story. Every position is important specially now when the difference between NBA teams is closing. You can talk about the importance of a player for a team if that player gives you that extra which push your team over others and wins. If you take away any of JO/CB4/Jose/Andrea, Raptors will not be good enough to make the playoffs. That's why Arsenalist's story is just pure speculation. You compare the importance of a team member by their consistent contribution to team success not based on "if" statements.

Gurk 11-15-2008 05:21 PM

CB4 is important but without Jose we will be pretty crap too

insight_tor 11-15-2008 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by gurkang (Post 74525)
CB4 is important but without Jose we will be pretty crap too

You are right gurkang ... but you would say "Jose is an important player for Raptors" not "the most important". The real problem here is the absence of a solid backup for PG which doesn't have to do with Jose but BC. And this problem affects Jose as well. As good as Jose is, he is not going to play at high level big minutes every night, 82 games + playoff games. Overplaying Jose will wear him down in no time. 8 games in season and he is already having problems with hamstring. Not a good sign for Raptors.

Dino Blogger 11-15-2008 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by insight_tor (Post 74526)
You are right gurkang ... but you would say "Jose is an important player for Raptors" not "the most important". The real problem here is the absence of a solid backup for PG which doesn't have to do with Jose but BC. And this problem affects Jose as well. As good as Jose is, he is not going to play at high level big minutes every night, 82 games + playoff games. Overplaying Jose will wear him down in no time. 8 games in season and he is already having problems with hamstring. Not a good sign for Raptors.

That is the exact point that is being made. With no "Real" back-up that makes Jose the most important player for this club. I can see a way the Raptors can win games with Chris out. With Jose out I find it hard to see.

If the Raptors signed a legit back-up at P.G then it would but Chris Bosh back to the spot of most important but the way this Raptor Roster is set right now he is not. I agree with the points you are making about Jose and durability which I have talked about in the full context of this. Or if not in this I know I have said it recently:golfclap:

MikeToronto 11-15-2008 07:23 PM

As the team is constructed right now, Jose is BY FAR the most important player on the roster. I suppose Solomon and Ukic will get their chance of proving me wrong, but barring a miracle, our offence will struggle mightily unless Jose is playing at least 30 minutes per night.

With the way Bargs has progressed over the summer, him, Bosh and JO form a nice insurance circle for each other. It would take two of them going down at the same time to seriously hinder the team.

insight_tor 11-15-2008 11:45 PM

I do understand Jose's role and importance but what you describe guys is more like "most vulnerable position" and this vulnerability comes in play only if Jose gets injured. The strange thing is 2&3 positions are the weak spots even with the all team healthy but we seems to be worry about PG which is covered by Jose.
Last year, CB4 was the main anchor in Raptors game plan. This year, JO takes over some CB4 responsibilities to carry the team but still CB4 is the main focus. Jose role is to assist these two guys or to find the open swing when CB4&JO attracts too much attention.

Here is my top 5 for most important player:

1. CB4
2. JO
3. Jose
4. Andrea
5. Parker

lonewolfpoet 11-15-2008 11:56 PM

That is why I thought it was more important to get Delfino back rather than Kapano knowing TJ was going to get traded. Delfino can handle the ball pretty well and could have backed up Calderon. I believe he played point for the Argentinian world team.

LX 11-16-2008 12:01 AM

I'm with insight. Bosh is easily the most important, and I'd go with his list as well. Jose was much more important when JO wasn't here. Now an average pg that can defend consistently and play good minutes without breaking down mentally or physically, could be more valuable than a Jose that ends up working too hard when defending well, and who is frankly injury-prone (and we're talking non contact injuries over and over, to the point of being carted off on a stretcher with no real contact involved). If Jose could get stronger, then him and Bosh might end up being 1A and 1B. If Solomon gets up to speed, he could end up being more than good enough to start the half-court offense and defend well enough. The question is how long that takes, and I imagine it's mostly mental right now.

LX 11-16-2008 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by lonewolfpoet (Post 74599)
That is why I thought it was more important to get Delfino back rather than Kapano knowing TJ was going to get traded. Delfino can handle the ball pretty well and could have backed up Calderon. I believe he played point for the Argentinian world team.

The problem was that Delfino loved the ball too much. He loved it so much that he almost looked for traps to try to dribble through. He was never going to be much of an option at the point.

insight_tor 11-16-2008 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by lonewolfpoet (Post 74599)
That is why I thought it was more important to get Delfino back rather than Kapano knowing TJ was going to get traded. Delfino can handle the ball pretty well and could have backed up Calderon. I believe he played point for the Argentinian world team.

Delfino project at PG failed miserable last year when TJ was injured and Sam tried Delfino at PG. Anyway, that's history, Delfino is gone. For the current situation, Solomon is suppose to get some minutes at PG as he is more ready than Roko, but for the long term I really want Roko to improve and became the main backup. Roko is strong and has good speed to penetrate, change directions and speeds quickly, all he needs is more time, everybody is saying he is a quick learner. If Solomon and Roko doesn't became a good option to cover at least 20 minutes per game, Jose will be hamburger by playoff time.

logicz 11-16-2008 01:16 AM

jose brings that special energy, sort of like when mo pete was here... :th_1zyajyt:

Admiral 11-16-2008 01:50 AM

CB4 is the most important as seen from last year, but then again last year we also had TJ so jose wasn't as important, maybe he's the most important this year if JO is good if CB4 goes down, but i think CB is still the most important

Aar_Canada 11-16-2008 02:11 AM

I don't know, whose loss would have the biggest negative impact on the team? I say Jose, because without him, we're kinda eff you see kay ee dee.

The MVP of West Hollywood 11-16-2008 02:25 AM

He's right, aside from the lack of a backup, it was painfully clear our guys have no direction or knowledge of what to do with Jose not on the floor, Mitchell's weaknesses are exposed tenfold in that situation. Jose the game manager is essential for this team, we look completley lost and dumbfounded without him.

I'd say Parker is as important as Bosh right now too. Only person who can play defence AT ALL on the perimeter, and he's our only SG. Without Parker, we have to play Kapono like 35mpg at the 2 and Adams the rest??? My god. We need a backup 2 NOW, just get any veteran or d league scrub, I don't care...

rapsfan087 11-16-2008 11:50 AM

What Josť brings on the court cannot be yet brought by other players, so yes, he is the most important player, with our current staff and without him IMO our record would be worse than without CB4.

Dr. J. Naismith 11-16-2008 11:52 AM

Well, we'll find out soon how important someone like Jose is if he can't play this afternoon against the Heat. :(

rapsfan087 11-16-2008 12:09 PM

Isn't there any news on Josť's injury yet? Hope it doesn't last too much. :(

Dr. J. Naismith 11-16-2008 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by rapsfan087 (Post 74711)
Isn't there any news on Josť's injury yet? Hope it doesn't last too much. :(

Game time decision rapsfan ... the pregame shows will be on at about Noon our time so we should have an idea then if he'll be playing today or not.

rapsfan087 11-16-2008 12:17 PM

thanks for the info Doc, well, no good news for this game, but if he is almost right there to play it, he will play the next IMO (just praying for it).


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