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Bryan Colangelo has got a lot of praise this off-season. It is well deserved praise as well. Bryan Colangelo is who we though he was and would should never let him off the hook. I have been a fan of many sports all of my life. If I was going to describe a G.M for the team I cheer for he would need the following qualities.

Intelligent- Bryan Colangelo is definitely this. Whenever you listen to an interview with the man you can just see that. He has a full grasp of the franchise he is running. He also has a firm grasp on the league they play in. In addition has a clear vision and direction for his squad. Although it may be very clear he is the smartest man in the room he still tries to build consensus with in the organization. He is willing to listen and is always looking for ideas on how to get better. He examines things not just for the moment but for the future. He sees the direction of the sports and instead of following trends he establishes them.

Opportunistic- He has the intelligence and skill to understand when opportunity is knocking on the door. In many of the moves he has made in his time in Toronto he has been successful in answering the door. But he does not just wait for opportunity to come knocking. Sometimes he would go out and create the opportunity himself. He took a complete bust in Hoffa and was able to find the one place in the NBA where he might have some value and dealt him there. Having played at BYU made him a more attractive asset to the folks in Utah. Recently he saw that there was a chance to get Marco Belinelli from Golden State. The player and the coach were not on the same page and the team itself was hurting cash wise. Sometimes it does not always work out. The J.O Trade is a the best example of that.

Educated Risk Taker- Having the ability to be willing to take chances with some logic and reason behind it. Bryan Colangelo has always been willing to take a risk and make hard choices to make a good team into a great team. There are always going to be mistakes along the way. However if you make correctable mistakes it allows you the chance to change course. No G.M has a crystal ball to the best of my knowledge and you can only make choice based on probabilities of success. The worst G.M is the one who does nothing and is fearful to make change. Look up Rob Babcock if you need an example of what I am talking about. If you seek reward that is seldom accomplished without a risk or two along the way.

Drive To Succeed and Never Be Satisfied - It is very easy in life to state you want to be successful. It is even easier when you achieve some success in life to be content with it. However to achieve true greatness in whatever you do it takes the ability to never be satisfied. Satisfaction is the enemy of greatness. Bryan Colangelo will never rest and say that he has done enough. Even in this summer, where he has accomplished so much, he still is always looking at ways to improve. The trade for Marco Belinelli was a shinning example of what I am talking about. I am positive even right now Byran Colangelo has ideas on how he can make this team better. You may disagree with a choice or a move but no one can question that Colangelo is not always hard at work looking to make his team better.

Vision For The Present and The Future - Bryan Colangelo has always been on the cutting edge of where the NBA and basketball in general is heading. The Suns played basketball a very different way from the rest of the league. It was a style of play that was ahead of the curve. Bryan is always trying to keep on eye on the present and one eye on the future. In his time in Toronto he has taken advantage of the appeal of the city to Euro based players. He has always been aware of international players long before it became trendy to do so. Colangelo has been able to see the changes in the game and how it is played. There is always risk in pushing towards the future. However if you follow the trends you have very little chance of being successful. Colangelo has seen the direction the NBA has been heading to a more offensive and skill based game. Sometimes to the detriment of defense. Still he creates exciting teams that more often than not are competitive and fun to watch.

Respected By His Peers - Bryan Colangelo is one of the more respected basketball people in the league. It is an important fact. If people respect you they are likely not going to think they can take advantage of you. Part of being a G.M is being able to have could working relationships with all of your fellow peers with the other teams in the league. If you have that you are more able to gather information and be able to take advantage of those opportunities that I mentioned earlier. Colangelo is always working the phones and is always on top of what is going on with not just his own franchise but the league as a whole.

Flexibility- You have to always be able to adapt to situations. The NBA is no different from life. It like life is dynamic in nature. That requires someone to be able to make changes in direction and philosophy in order to fit in with the changes that occur. It also involves being able to re-evaluate your own choices with a true honesty and fix mistakes or errors that have been made in a quick and impartial way. One of the hardest thing for people to do in life in general is to admit to mistakes and correct them. There are many example of things in life where people cling to relationships that have become broken. If you are not able to see problems for what they are and react to them you can find your life altered in significant ways and seldom for the good. The Jeremaine O'Neil trade and how Bryan Colangelo acknowledged the error he had made and worked his way out of it, was rare and honestly brilliant. To often G.M's become married to the ideas they have had and refuse to admit they were wrong or miscalculated.

Confidence and Leadership- Bryan Colangelo is truly a confident man. He learned a lot no doubt from his father Jerry and has worked his way up to where he is today. He clearly has wanted to establish his own legacy and in coming to Toronto that was a big step in that. Bryan always in ever interview I have ever heard him do comes off as a confident leader. He is able to let you see enough of his though process to understand it. However he seldom shows you all the cards he has in his hand. He is able to sell a vision better than anyone I have seen. I mentioned about him being willing to build consensus and that is what a good leader does. While some fans were in full panic mode over the potential loss of Chris Bosh, Colangelo has been focused on building a team with or without him. He did not panic and trade his star player for a deal that ultimately has little chance of success. However at the same time he has build a team that should Bosh decide to leave has grown in overall talent. It takes a confident person to handle pressure and not crumble from it. Pressure can also make diamonds and Bryan Colangelo is doing his best to make the Raptors a shining jewel.

This list could go on with other things. But the point is that Colangelo is a G.M that fans should love. He is willing to do the things that fans want. However he is smart enough not to react to quickly as fans tend to do. Life a lot of times can boil down to timing. Understanding when the time is jump at chances and when it is better to sit and wait. Colangelo has been a 2 time executive of the year but has yet to have a championship team. It has never been through lack of effort or intelligence. I am convinced that at some point Colangelo will reach his mountain top. I just hope that it will be here in Toronto. A lot of people had lost faith in Bryan but he truly is always worth of people having faith in him.

He has a great understand in the finance and the collective bargaining agreement as well. In a couple years there will be a new CBA and a hole new set of rules to the game of being a G.M. I am confident that Bryan will be one of the first to understand that agreement and figure out ways to take advantage of it. Raptor fans should feel lucky and fortunate to have Bryan Colangelo as the G.M of the basketball team they love. He really gives you everything you could ever ask for in a G.M.
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Old 08-11-2009, 01:24 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Let's hope he re-signs to stay here long term. MLSE better not cheap out and not keep him.
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Who can fire GM?

BC is a very good General. Even though he failed last year, but his overall record seems to be good.
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Let's hope he re-signs to stay here long term. MLSE better not cheap out and not keep him.
When has MLSE shown signs of being cheap? The $50M to Andrea Bargnani? The $50M to Hedo Turkoglu? The $45M to Jose Calderon? The list goes on...
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I would like to ask this writer a question but his nose is so far up BC's ass I don't think he would hear it.

What has exactly BC done for the Raptors since he has been hired? I do not want speculation or conjecture........i would like hard facts on how this team is that much better (statistically) with him at the helm?

I also laugh at his suggestion that he has spent money wisely? Turk....too long too much money. Bargs way to much money and there are also suggestions from other writers that if this last push doesnt work out there wont be many takers of these contracts.
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lol this arcitle was like one big jerk off to BC...and he deserves it....although if this was 6 months ago i wonder how an article like this would be viewed by most people on this board
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BC is a brilliant GM, but I'd wait till the Raps actually have some success with him at the helm until everyone gets on their knees.
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When has MLSE shown signs of being cheap? The $50M to Andrea Bargnani? The $50M to Hedo Turkoglu? The $45M to Jose Calderon? The list goes on...
Coach salaries don't count against the cap, it's a matter of how much the organization wants to open its pockets.
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Coach salaries don't count against the cap, it's a matter of how much the organization wants to open its pockets.
That wasn't my point at all. My point was/is that they're not cheap. I'm not sure where salary cap came into my post, I don't see it.


P.S. The Raptors have had THREE head coaches on pay roll at one time before.
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I would like to ask this writer a question but his nose is so far up BC's ass I don't think he would hear it.

What has exactly BC done for the Raptors since he has been hired? I do not want speculation or conjecture........i would like hard facts on how this team is that much better (statistically) with him at the helm?

I also laugh at his suggestion that he has spent money wisely? Turk....too long too much money. Bargs way to much money and there are also suggestions from other writers that if this last push doesnt work out there wont be many takers of these contracts.
Those contract makes complete sense from the players view and GM's view. Why are you degrading those players by not giving them that money. Toronto starters could easily be all stars and all of them with demar in rookie all star. How is Bargs way too much. How do you calculate that. Please show me on what calculation bases do you say that. Keep in mind Roy, same draft class got 80 million. Jose too much money, again show me the calculation as to why. Jose is a vet, age experience and playing experience. Look at lebron, he can take a whole team on his shoulder, but he gets only 17 to 20 and will get 24 to 27 million next year. Griffin first year contract is 7 to 8 million. So money comes according to +/- of the players production. Barg got 50 because he deserves that. Its exactly calculated. Which writer suggested that there will be no takers for there contract, this is a made up statement or an uneducated writer.

Stats is the bottom line for every business.
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How on earth can you say Bargs is worth 10 million per season?
Career Numbers for the numero uno draft choice?
221 114 26.9 0.424 0.377 0.832 0.8 3.6 4.3 1.1 0.4 0.8 1.49 2.90 12.4?

Wow those are some stellar numbers right there! Kleiza has similar number playing from off the bench and as a small forward and he cant even get an NBA contract.

When I wrote my rant I asked that you give stats and you wrote:

"Toronto starters could easily be all stars"

How many of them are all stars but Bosh?


I said nothing of Calderon's contract. He is one of the few that I think is worth the money

If Bargs has another extremely uninspiring year do you think there will be a line up to get his services at 10 million per for a point guard trapped in a centres body?

I mentioned Turks contract because he is older and I think it could be a risky length for a guy who has had the tag of inconsistent pretty much his entire career (granted last year it was almost like he was playing for a new contract! Opps I guess he was!)


Then you said

"Stats is the bottom line for every business."


What is the record of the Raptors since BC took over?

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I would like to ask this writer a question but his nose is so far up BC's ass I don't think he would hear it.

What has exactly BC done for the Raptors since he has been hired? I do not want speculation or conjecture........i would like hard facts on how this team is that much better (statistically) with him at the helm?

I also laugh at his suggestion that he has spent money wisely? Turk....too long too much money. Bargs way to much money and there are also suggestions from other writers that if this last push doesnt work out there wont be many takers of these contracts.
Turkoglu's contract isn't that bad imo, and Bargnani's contract will turnout to be a bargain. There's always gotta be someone who pisses on things.
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How on earth can you say Bargs is worth 10 million per season?
Career Numbers for the numero uno draft choice?
221 114 26.9 0.424 0.377 0.832 0.8 3.6 4.3 1.1 0.4 0.8 1.49 2.90 12.4?

Wow those are some stellar numbers right there! Kleiza has similar number playing from off the bench and as a small forward and he cant even get an NBA contract.
He wasn't paid based on his career stats, he was paid based on his last season. If they didn't pay him now and he then goes on to post 20PPG this season his price tag would be higher than $10M/yr and I guarantee you it won't be based on his career averages. Career averages mean nothing for a young guy like him. He's getting paid based on his potential and his strong last season, in particular the second half.

It's no doubt is a risk BUT if you don't take risks you don't go anywhere.
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I have trouble understanding how much more fans can expect from a GM. Over and over again BC has shown us that he is willing to do what ever it takes to make us a winning team. Ever since he's got here we've either been doing better then expectations or rebuilding to get there. It's next to impossible to know exactly how well a team is going to mesh together. All we can ask for is that he makes moves to cover necessary holes, which he has.
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Fans expect success. If they don't expect that then why even bother watching games?
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He wasn't paid based on his career stats, he was paid based on his last season. If they didn't pay him now and he then goes on to post 20PPG this season his price tag would be higher than $10M/yr and I guarantee you it won't be based on his career averages. Career averages mean nothing for a young guy like him. He's getting paid based on his potential and his strong last season, in particular the second half.

It's no doubt is a risk BUT if you don't take risks you don't go anywhere.
Ok what if he struggles for his own shot and keeps getting tangled up with Turk and Bosh and all those little guys on the perimeter? The dude needs to be put on some hormones or something or grow a set and at least bump up his rebounds and block by like double! If he can do that (even if he stays around the same in points) and get 9 boards per and 2 blocks I will eat some crow.
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What is the record of the Raptors since BC took over?

Since he's been our GM (3 seasons):
121-125 + two playoff appearances/Division title/EOTY-COTY awards/Respectability


Previous 3 years before he showed up:
99-147 + 0 playoff appearances (laughing stock of the league)


-It's not all black & White and you have to look at what he inherated and what he's done since. Did you somehow expect him to bring us a championship in 3 seasons.-

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Ok what if he struggles for his own shot and keeps getting tangled up with Turk and Bosh and all those little guys on the perimeter? The dude needs to be put on some hormones or something or grow a set and at least bump up his rebounds and block by like double! If he can do that (even if he stays around the same in points) and get 9 boards per and 2 blocks I will eat some crow.
Last season he had one guy drawing a double team and one play maker on the court with him. Now he has two guys who will draw a double team at times and two play makers. He's going to score a lot.

He's going to have to rebound better than in the past. Last off-season he put a lot of work in and got stronger. He rebounded better and did alter shots. I expect him to only get better. You need to realize one thing though, his rebounding totals will never be huge because he's on the perimeter on offense most of the time. You put Chris Bosh on the perimeter 95% of the time on offense and suddenly he's not a double double guy. Bargnani is only 23 years old. There are guys who don't even enter the draft until then.

What if he turns into a total star? A "Dirk/Pau" hybrid?

Again, if you don't take chances you don't reap rewards.

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Since he's been our GM:

121-125 + two playoff appearances/Division title/EOTY-COTY awards/Respectability

Previous 3 years before he showed up:

99-147 + 0 playoff appearances (laughing stock of the league)

-It's not all black & White and you have to look at what inherated and what he's done since. Did you somehow expect him to bring us a championship in 3 season.

I could get your argument about inheriting if he took over a 20-62 team but last year was his 3rd and we are no farther ahead then when he started other than "hoping" things get better.
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A "good GM" with a shit load of luck can turn an organisation into a champion in a year.

A "great GM" will make mistakes and learn from it on the road to building a championship team.

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