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Old 07-06-2009, 11:20 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I can't help but sit back and wonder if this is a case of De Ja VU. But first let's clear some stuff up. To sign Hedo the Raptors have to give up rights (Renounce) Shawn Marion, Anthony Parker, Carlos Delfino and Joey Graham and Pops Mensah-Bonsu by July 7th. Also in addition I have read and been told that the Raptors also will not have their MLE(Mid level exception) as a result of this signing. According to Doug Smith the only way the Raptors could get it back it to workout a sign and trade for Shawn Marion with Orlando. Given the fact they brought in V.C that seems unlikely. Perhaps some wacky 3 way deal could be worked out but I would not hold my breath. Basically the Raptors have given up the rights to 5 players and their mid level exception to sign Hedo. That seems like a heck of a lot does it not? Just like trading T.J Ford, Rasho Nesterovic and Roy Hibbert for Jermaine O'Neal and Nathan Jawai. That deal became worse given the health issues of Jawai. J.O also would have his injury issues as well. Would anyone do a 6 asset deal to get 1 player in a trade? I mean this is for Hedo not Dwight Howard.

I hear and read all of this talk about how great this is that we landed a high end free agent. It is only great if it works, if it doesn't it really means nothing. In fact honestly I question if it even means anything at all in terms of North American players. Does the fact we signed Hedo make the next Trevor Ariza type free agent sign in Toronto. Ariza in case you forgot or did not hear was offered allegedly 9 million more to come to Toronto and passed. Does that change this from happening again? Not unless the Raptor become a consistent and winning team.

In fact, I think the success of Demar DeRozan could have more impact on getting North American free agents than a Hedo signing. If DeRozan lives up to his promise and becomes a star and remains in Toronto that will do more for attracting free agents than anything. If a kid who grew up in Compton California gives Toronto a stamp of approval that will speak louder than any Euro player signing in Toronto in terms of North American talent. There would be a certain street cred about that. It is not to say that Vince Carter or Chris Bosh don't have that. But it is different. Dallas and Florida are not anything close to where DeRozan comes from. I may have watched Boyz In The Hood one to many times. However I think it would be something that might change attitudes about players coming to Toronto. It just a theory but I think it might have some merit.

But signing a Euro based player beyond improving the on the court product will have little to no impact on free agency in the future. The Raptors in the end regardless of what it does for future free agency may have given up far to much to sign Hedo. They will need to hit some major league home runs in terms of signing guys to minimum deals. As I suggested perhaps a guy or maybe even 2 on the summer league roster would have to get signed and make an impact in some small way.

The depth of this team is truly lacking and I am not convinced this is something Bryan Colangelo has some magic answer for. A sign and trade for Marion is extremely unlikely with the Magic. If the Raptors have no mid level exception they are really screwed in terms of adding depth. This team to me would enter the season in the same position it did last year in terms of being just one injury away from certain doom. If any play 1-3 goes down the Raptors could be totally screwed.

The one thing I can bet you won't here from Bryan Colangelo that this is the best roster he has had since he has been here. I think he learned his lesson on that last year. But it seems he has not when it comes to building depth on this team. Honestly I don't like to come off as the voice of doom. In fact, unlike some writers and bloggers, I really hope that I am wrong. I want to see the Raptors do well and succeed. If that happens to make me wrong about some things I can live with that. But I never write anything that I don't believe to be true from my prospective. That was the lesson I learned from the Jermaine O'Neal trade. I hated it from the start and would allow myself to be swayed. Well not this time. This is a bad contract and it does not address enough to out weigh the problems it creates. All this being said I do think the Raps will be a playoff team. But as I said a few days ago the goal is suppose to be Championships not Playoff appearances.
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Old 07-06-2009, 11:27 AM   #2 (permalink)
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WARNING : anti canadaisms to the hilt in this particular article. okay so we chucked our bench down the sink by signing turk, but it can be re-built.
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Old 07-06-2009, 11:37 AM   #3 (permalink)
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WARNING : anti canadaisms to the hilt in this particular article. okay so we chucked our bench down the sink by signing turk, but it can be re-built.
Plus how exactly did our bench surve us last season. BC will improve the bench imo. And already has with Derozan/Evans.
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Old 07-06-2009, 11:41 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Ahh, Nonsense.

You can write the same articles and lean on the positives too.

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Old 07-06-2009, 11:48 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Our bench last season consisted of:

Banks/Ukic/Kapono/Graham/POB/Pops/Douby/Voskhul



Basically our bech was complete horse shit. And if BC blew up our bench to get Hedo here...bravo! The fact is, the only players that are renounced that i wanted back were Delfino & Pops. And i think Brian will be able to bring them both back. Further to that, i think our bench will be better next season....not that it would be difficult. And adding Derozan/Evans is a good start.
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Our bench last season consisted of:

Banks/Ukic/Kapono/Graham/POB/Pops/Douby/Voskhul



Basically our bech was complete horse shit. And if BC blew up our bench to get Hedo here...bravo! The fact is, the only players that are renounced that i wanted back were Delfino & Pops. And i think Brian will be able to bring them both back. Further to that, i think our bench will be better next season....not that it would be difficult. And adding Derozan/Evans is a good start.
Exactly, Our bench was total shit last year
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What i believe is that BC is not dumb, and everything that these bloggers have mentioned BC would have thought of as well. You think BC doesn't know our bench is weak, you think BC doesn't know if we sign Mr. Glue we will lose our MLE? He must have made his decision becase he has the ability to fix these problems with the remain days left in the summer. What i worry the most, is that BC made the decision to sign Mr. Glue becuase he had no other choice. Maybe Marion just didn't want to sign with teh raptors, and the only thing BC could do than was to sign Turk. If that is the case than we might be in big trouble. In regards to the o'neal trade, it had to be done. Raps were crap and they needed something to get the fans hyped for. If they hadn't made the move, the fans may have been even more pissed off.
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Our bench last season consisted of:

Banks/Ukic/Kapono/Graham/POB/Pops/Douby/Voskhul



Basically our bech was complete horse shit. And if BC blew up our bench to get Hedo here...bravo! The fact is, the only players that are renounced that i wanted back were Delfino & Pops. And i think Brian will be able to bring them both back. Further to that, i think our bench will be better next season....not that it would be difficult. And adding Derozan/Evans is a good start.
pops is just a fan favourite he's not gonna fit here he's like an evans. evans will be the new fan favourite as if lives up to potential will be derozan.
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Old 07-06-2009, 03:22 PM   #9 (permalink)
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i dont care i want pops back.
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Old 07-06-2009, 05:59 PM   #10 (permalink)
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What i believe is that BC is not dumb, and everything that these bloggers have mentioned BC would have thought of as well. You think BC doesn't know our bench is weak, you think BC doesn't know if we sign Mr. Glue we will lose our MLE? He must have made his decision because he has the ability to fix these problems with the remain days left in the summer. What i worry the most, is that BC made the decision to sign Mr. Glue because he had no other choice. Maybe Marion just didn't want to sign with teh raptors, and the only thing BC could do than was to sign Turk. If that is the case than we might be in big trouble. In regards to the O'neal trade, it had to be done. Raps were crap and they needed something to get the fans hyped for. If they hadn't made the move, the fans may have been even more pissed off.
I really take a bit of offense to the term "These Bloggers" first and foremost if for no other reason that I have contributed to THIS Forum so it is not like I am THESE ANYTHING. I AM HERE!!! Aside from that I work very hard at what I am doing and I know others do as well. I don't recall ever suggesting that B.C was an idiot? I don't think I ever have done that. Disagree with the opinions all you like. That is fine I can live with that. But please do not take a group of people and try to paint us all with the same brush that is insulting to all who do this be it professionally or as a hobby.

As for the basketball points in regards to the O'Neal trade no one put a gun to Colangelo's head and said make a deal. There was a media/fan opinion that T.J Ford was a problem child and had to be moved which was complete B.S. Also the article/blog does not suggest B.C should have sat on his ass and did nothing. It just questions the move he has made. There is lots of room for debate on each side of this move.

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Old 07-06-2009, 06:31 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I really take a bit of offense to the term "These Bloggers" first and foremost if for no other reason that I have contributed to THIS Forum so it is not like I am THESE ANYTHING.
You kind of do it yourself too. I know it's not as generalizing as the other post but it still has the same ring to it to me:
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In fact, unlike some writers and bloggers, I really hope that I am wrong.
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I get that part about Turkoglu being from Europe and DeRozan from Compton, there may be some truth to it, but it's not the point. Toronto should just be happy for the fact that they were able to land A big FA this time, arguably the biggest/most wanted of them all.

Sounds like you hate American players for not wanting to play in Canada but you still prefer them to someone who does but happens to be European. Doesn't make sense.

Will his value on the court be worth 50+ million over the next 5 years, who knows?
Overpaid? Maybe. But that's part of landing a high profile free agent. The example of Ariza testifies to that. From Turkoglu's standpoint it's a fair deal.

(Where I say you I'm assuming that you wrote the article)

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