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Old 11-17-2008, 02:41 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I'll admit I was impressed based on what I saw & heard from Bosh, JO and Bargnani yesterday, but keep in mind this was against the Heat. Tomorrow night should be a good test to see if it really can work for us here on out.

I'm still skeptical .... is anyone else?

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So that worked out pretty well as the Raptors busted out the big 3 line-up of Bosh, Bargnani and J.O. Sam Mitchell had only used it in extreme cases prior to this. It reminded me of when all was lost Sam would throw out T.J and Jose together. I had called it the break glass in case of emergency move by Sam Mitchell. But this time it seems to be a case to send a message to the under performing wing players. Not just the starting line-up changed but the entire rotation. Good news for Kris Humphries fans and bad news for Joey Graham fans. The Miami Heat were the perfect test model to give this a shot. They lack the size to match up and it improved the Raptors rebounding and defense overall. The Raptors were dead last in the league in rebounds. Something needed to be done.

Andrea Bargnani has really made a great effort to improve his game and is showing signs that he is getting it. The biggest change is in his overall attitude and effort. It has been far better and you see the results on the floor. Jermaine O'Neal is starting to round into shape and understanding his role on this team. His contributions on defense are getting better and more often. There was a point in the 4th quarter that every shot he could challenge and try and block he did. He already is making goals. He said that he asked what the franchise record is for shot blocks in a season is?(Marcus Camby-230) That is his goal to beat. Meanwhile Chris Bosh is having the best season of his NBA career by far. He has just looked fantastic. His 4th All Star appearance is about as close to a lock as you can get. Putting these three players on the floor together makes a ton of sense from an offensive point of view. What will define it and determine the long term future of it will be the D. How these guys play on defensive end will determine if this can be a long term solution or a short term on that can be used in certain match-ups.
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Old 11-17-2008, 03:16 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I've been on the Bargnani at the 3 spot bandwagon for the longest time. I don't mind Bargs play the 3 here and there although I don't think he should be handed minutes there on a platter. Bagnani should be the teams 6 man. A 30mpg player that can play any forward spot given to him and you tell the 7 footer thats his role. If he is at a disadvantage on a matchup up you bench him. If you doesn't listen to you also bench him. It doesn't take a brain surgeon that this team has decent talent at the PG and bigs and is lacking at the wings. So what do I say is SAM WAKE THE HELL UP. Once Jose gets back 100% play Solomon some 2guard and go a little small. Get Solomans juices flowing and tell him to do what he loves: wing out and score. Is Bargs feeling it? Hell yes let him pouch up on that 3 spot and hit the lights out. It really burns the tip of my stomach at this reactionary decision making by the Raptors.
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Old 11-17-2008, 03:24 PM   #3 (permalink)
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He's so effective from both the top and inside this season I'd like to see him used when teams bring out a smaller line-up. He could use size to get past you and draw some charity line points while he's at it. Against bigger line-ups he could park his but outside and free up room for Bosh inside and they could easily kick it out if needed. It's work like a charm had Sam not have the IQ of a 12 year old.
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Scott Carefoot made a good point on this topic that perhaps Bosh should play the 3 spot. At least on defense that would make sense as teams have tried matching 3's against Bosh in the past. He has decent enough food speed to guard most 3's. They could flip flop back for offense and have Bargnani in the 3 position.

I am not sold on it as a long term answer but given the play of the wings what real option do they have and it allows the Raptors to have the most talent on the floor playing together. I am also happy it seems to give Hump a roll in the rotation for the Raptors. He hustles and busts his butt.
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Scott Carefoot made a good point on this topic that perhaps Bosh should play the 3 spot. At least on defense that would make sense as teams have tried matching 3's against Bosh in the past. He has decent enough food speed to guard most 3's. They could flip flop back for offense and have Bargnani in the 3 position.

I am not sold on it as a long term answer but given the play of the wings what real option do they have and it allows the Raptors to have the most talent on the floor playing together. I am also happy it seems to give Hump a roll in the rotation for the Raptors. He hustles and busts his butt.
It really doesn't matter if Bosh or Bargs plays the three because they really won't change the way they play. ON the offensive side the opposing defense will just play the player they thing match up well with either player. Bargs either posts up or plays 20 feet away from the basket and Bosh is 8 to 15 feet away from the basket most of the time. Both players are hi post players so whoever plays what position it really doesn't matter. The whole idea about the Raptors offense "should" be spacing. Giving out positions to people are just folklore. You get the best 5 players on the team on the floor and you play. Of course you need different skill sets on your players for certain adjustments but I'll tell you this: you think Bargs and JO would be able to play the 5 when Oneal was a young pup and the Dream was winning championships?

I think not
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Old 11-17-2008, 03:42 PM   #6 (permalink)
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The big playing out of position on the defensive end is most likely to get himself in foul trouble. Bosh is one of the most effective big men in the league, he should stay right where he is.

The big three experiment will get their best test against Boston on Sunday, and I think you'll see Bargnani play some great defense against Pierce. He won't bite for his fakes, he'll stay on the ground and use his length and give him fits as long as the officials don't tag him early with a couple cheap ones. Bargs biggest challenge will be guarding Pierce on ball screens. If he can do that, we'll be good.

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I don't know if I'd want Bosh needing to work that hard on defense - by guarding 3's. I think the bit of a rest that he gets defending alongside JO does great things for his game, and he is able to be at his best within the team defense right where he's at now. Bargnani is playing really good with his length and foot speed right now. I'm guessing that we will see how far he has come over where he was at in the playoffs, come tomorrow night. If he can slow up most 3's enough to lead to blocks and charges by Bosh and JO then that would be great.

And he is not going to be an easy guy to shoot over. We have been able to force most teams to shoot a good amount of J's, but they've just been so comfortable with it, even though a good number have been well-contested. I think Andrea might bring more than just contesting J's. I think his length might stir some doubt and get guys out of rhythm.

Really - the defense is my least concern. I only hope he doesn't hang out behind the arc too much on offense. I love the idea of him playing two or three positions every game as a sixth man, and staying aggressive no matter what. His ball handling looks like it might be back to where it was at in europe, and that's opening up his court vision. Let's see another one of those touch passes under the basket - this time with Bosh or JO finishing successfully.
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Bargnani's D at the 3 spot is no worse then Moon or Graham for that matter.Plus he'll block/altar shots and create mismatches.It's not the perfect solution but it's our best option right now until BC can maybe come up with a trade.
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