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10. DeMAR DeROZAN: 18.1 ppg, 2.5 apg, 3.9 rpg
Although DeMar DeRozan hasnít become a household name yet, heís capable of playing like one. DeRozan is the future of the shooting guard position. Heís one of the most athletic players at the position and thatís always a good foundation to have as a shooting guard. He lives off of his athletic ability every night by attacking the rim and running the floor in transition. The one aspect of his game thatís stunting his growth is his outside shooting. As a career 23 percent three-point shooter, developing an outside game is the only thing holding him back. He shot 28 percent from long range this season, which is his best percentage as a pro so far. If he wants to fulfill his potential, it starts with working on that jump shot and extending his range.

DeRozanís been a solid player for the Raptors since he was drafted back in 2009. However, he never grew into the franchise player they wanted him to become. Part of that has to do with his poor outside shooting. The Raptors gave him his chance to become the guy, but they couldnít wait much longer, getting Rudy Gay in a mid-season trade this year, another athlete to pair with DeRozan. With the attention Gay draws driving to the basket, itís important for DeRozan to feel confident spotting up on the opposite side. If he can become a better shooter next season and get that perimeter shooting percentage up over 30, heíll be averaging on the plus side of 20 points per game.
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10th best SHOOTING guard... who cant SHOOT 3's...

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Failed to mention the poor ballhandling and poor d.
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The future looks bleak.

10th best is arguable, I'd say that's his high end, but it just feels like the idea of what Demar could be has greatly exceeded what Demar actually is as a player.
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Demar has to improve his defense, but a top 4 scorer in his position while shooting a respectable .445% from the floor. Yes, he shoots a better percentage than James Harden, JR Smith, Jamal Crawford, Joe Johnson, and Klay Thompson. Also, Demar has improved his free throw attempts, assists, and rebounding the last four year. Oh yeah, the future looks bleak!

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Demar has to improve his defense, but a top 4 scorer in his position while shooting a respectable .445% from the floor. Yes, he shoots a better percentage than James Harden, JR Smith, Jamal Crawford, Joe Johnson, and Klay Thompson. Also, Demar has improved his free throw attempts, assists, and rebounding the last four year. Oh yeah, the future looks bleak!

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Oh yay, a stat based argument. His defense needs to improve cause it blows, so we agree there. His impact on games is largely in high-volume scoring and his rebounding and assists have only improved marginally. Yeah, saying he's the future of the position is ridiculous. He's no better than an Gerald Henderson, Kawhi Leonard or an Avery Bradley... just three names not on the list that could be taken over him in terms of overall impact on games. But no, let's inflate Demar's worth cause he's a nice kid. The future, ladies and gentlemen, hardly.
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Demar has to improve his defense, but a top 4 scorer in his position while shooting a respectable .445% from the floor. Yes, he shoots a better percentage than James Harden, JR Smith, Jamal Crawford, Joe Johnson, and Klay Thompson. Also, Demar has improved his free throw attempts, assists, and rebounding the last four year. Oh yeah, the future looks bleak!

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I never knew FG%age was the only metric that was important.

How about the ball handling, d, win shares/48 minutes (which is still below the league average), ts%, efg%, etc. Harden > DD. Thompson>DD. Given what Crawford and JSmith make it's far better value than what DD is set to make starting next season. JJ, well that contract is just horrible. He's still a pure scorer who has issues scoring (he really needs to work on his 3 pt shooting). He's improved, yes. However given what he was doing before it would be pretty sad if he wasn't able to improve on/upon that.
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Oh yay, a stat based argument. His defense needs to improve cause it blows, so we agree there. His impact on games is largely in high-volume scoring and his rebounding and assists have only improved marginally. Yeah, saying he's the future of the position is ridiculous. He's no better than an Gerald Henderson, Kawhi Leonard or an Avery Bradley... just three names not on the list that could be taken over him in terms of overall impact on games. But no, let's inflate Demar's worth cause he's a nice kid. The future, ladies and gentlemen, hardly.
dude it's a crappy stats based argument anywho - no advanced stats at all, ppg and what - fg%?
you should add afflalo and mayo to that list btw.
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Oh yay, a stat based argument. His defense needs to improve cause it blows, so we agree there. His impact on games is largely in high-volume scoring and his rebounding and assists have only improved marginally. Yeah, saying he's the future of the position is ridiculous. He's no better than an Gerald Henderson, Kawhi Leonard or an Avery Bradley... just three names not on the list that could be taken over him in terms of overall impact on games. But no, let's inflate Demar's worth cause he's a nice kid. The future, ladies and gentlemen, hardly.
You guys are unbelievable lol,before giving the man any props you're calling out his flaws. All the 10 top ten SG's have things they can probably improve. Its good to see one of our guys get recognized but our fanbase wants to dump on his acknowledgement lol?

Last time I checked,the Bobcats have been the worst team over the last 3 years (so much for Henderson's impact). Leonard and Bradley joined championship teams under solid tutelage with veteran presence and excellent coaching.

Back on track,good for Demar. Teams know he's an emerging young talent in the league. Now becoming a father and playing with a secured long term contract,DeRozan will be ready to take his game to the next level and prove all the doubters wrong.
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You guys are unbelievable lol,before giving the man any props you're calling out his flaws. All the 10 top ten SG's have things they can probably improve. Its good to see one of our guys get recognized but our fanbase wants to dump on his acknowledgement lol?

Last time I checked,the Bobcats have been the worst team over the last 3 years (so much for Henderson's impact). Leonard and Bradley joined championship teams under solid tutelage with veteran presence and excellent coaching.

Back on track,good for Demar. Teams know he's an emerging young talent in the league. Now becoming a father and playing with a secured long term contract,DeRozan will be ready to take his game to the next level and prove all the doubters wrong.
You slam us for knocking Demar and then you go and knock the other three.... lol.... that's absurd.

Regardless, we're not slamming Demar as much as the claim that he's the future of the position. It isn't even close to being reality and that's without taking into consideration any young SG's that may emerge. Heck, it's like Saying Evan Turner is the future of the position.
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You slam us for knocking Demar and then you go and knock the other three.... lol.... that's absurd.

Regardless, we're not slamming Demar as much as the claim that he's the future of the position. It isn't even close to being reality and that's without taking into consideration any young SG's that may emerge. Heck, it's like Saying Evan Turner is the future of the position.
I'm not knocking them lol,you know that. It is what it is with Henderson,but just strying to say DeRozan could easily have a greater impact if he played on a better team/system like Leonard & Bradley.

Demar is our player (if you're a Raps fan),without trying to be a homer its a good thing to celebrate something that is of positive feedback regarding our team's youth and core player's development. He has more work to do I agree but he's not garbage and is arguably top 10 at the moment.

Always like reading your replies/comments Carp,you're a great poster to me. I don't know what Demar can do to win you over while playing his own style of game.
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I'm not knocking them lol,you know that. It is what it is with Henderson,but just strying to say DeRozan could easily have a greater impact if he played on a better team/system like Leonard & Bradley.

Demar is our player (if you're a Raps fan),without trying to be a homer its a good thing to celebrate something that is of positive feedback regarding our team's youth and core player's development. He has more work to do I agree but he's not garbage and is arguably top 10 at the moment.

Always like reading your replies/comments Carp,you're a great poster to me. I don't know what Demar can do to win you over while playing his own style of game.
I actually like DD but the man has many issues. I actually don't know if he'd have a greater impact if he played on a better team/system like Kawhi or Bradley. Those guys both have a calling card to hang their hat on - they play d and knock down some 3s (Kawhi also rebounds quite well). They also are not top 3 options on offense and don't need to be to be effective players. I don't think DD would fit those "checkmarks".
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I'm not knocking them lol,you know that. It is what it is with Henderson,but just strying to say DeRozan could easily have a greater impact if he played on a better team/system like Leonard & Bradley.

Demar is our player (if you're a Raps fan),without trying to be a homer its a good thing to celebrate something that is of positive feedback regarding our team's youth and core player's development. He has more work to do I agree but he's not garbage and is arguably top 10 at the moment.

Always like reading your replies/comments Carp,you're a great poster to me. I don't know what Demar can do to win you over while playing his own style of game.
I think Demar needs to define himself, not by his scoring, but by his D and his athleticism, which he has yet to do. We've given him the opportunity to earn his big extension by forcefeeding touches to him, but we've failed him in not demanding more of the rest. Can he win me over, maybe, but he's also not the star of this team anymore. JV is that guy, followed by Rudy. If DD can feed JV relentlessly and defend like a spider monkey, great, he'll win me over.... but I'm just the guy behind the guy behind the guy.

Thanks for the kind words, you're a stud poster yourself. #rogerdat
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Always like reading your replies/comments Carp,you're a great poster to me. I don't know what Demar can do to win you over while playing his own style of game.
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I think Demar needs to define himself, not by his scoring, but by his D and his athleticism, which he has yet to do. We've given him the opportunity to earn his big extension by forcefeeding touches to him, but we've failed him in not demanding more of the rest. Can he win me over, maybe, but he's also not the star of this team anymore. JV is that guy, followed by Rudy. If DD can feed JV relentlessly and defend like a spider monkey, great, he'll win me over.... but I'm just the guy behind the guy behind the guy.

Thanks for the kind words, you're a stud poster yourself. #rogerdat
Does he have to be a star though? can't he just be a piece that compliments the other starters? not trying to say he is untradable but imo DD is least of our worries now
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To be honest,when the Raps drafted DD I didn't know what to expect because he was SO raw(like most of us thought and would agree). He's no Vince Carter in his prime but at the same time he could've easily been a Joey Graham but he's not that either. For him to be mentioned amongst the 10 best SG's almost 5 years later(whether accuarate or not) is some what of a congratulatory accomplishment.
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Does he have to be a star though? can't he just be a piece that compliments the other starters? not trying to say he is untradable but imo DD is least of our worries now
I hope he doesn't need to be a star, cause he won't ever be. If this team transitions to a team that uses JV and more of an inside out style, Demar can be part of winning me over. I'm tired of the lazy chucking. Both Andrea and Demar are the main culprits, Rudy Gay can actually get to the rim and finish there.
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I hope he doesn't need to be a star, cause he won't ever be. If this team transitions to a team that uses JV and more of an inside out style, Demar can be part of winning me over. I'm tired of the lazy chucking. Both Andrea and Demar are the main culprits, Rudy Gay can actually get to the rim and finish there.
Also Rudy can actually rebound and play some d. Not to mention that he's a legit top8 or top 10 SF in the nba.
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To be honest,when the Raps drafted DD I didn't know what to expect because he was SO raw(like most of us thought and would agree). He's no Vince Carter in his prime but at the same time he could've easily been a Joey Graham but he's not that either. For him to be mentioned amongst the 10 best SG's almost 5 years later(whether accuarate or not) is some what of a congratulatory accomplishment.
fair points.... though he's very similar to Joey in terms of not being able to break a man down off the dribble. DD being mentioned as a top ten SG is fine, but proclaiming him as the future when it's even arguable that there are other better young SG's left off the list is a bit much.

If Demar can improve, I'd love to rank him top ten one day, though some will suggest arbitrary lists are needless.
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Maybe the ranking is arguable. But as well, maybe the criticism goes way overboard, while also relying far too much on impressions formed far too long ago.
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