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Old 01-20-2012, 03:18 PM   #41 (permalink)
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RELAX, and back away from the ledge.

It's 15 games in, in an abbreviated season, with 2 games of pre-season to start. If you subtract 6 of our regular season games (and make the pre-season games), we're only 9 days in - after a lengthy lay-off from the lockout.

I'll be worried if by the END of the season, that these guys don't show any improvement, but it's a LONG (short) season, and we already knew we weren't doing much this year.
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Old 01-20-2012, 04:00 PM   #42 (permalink)
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ok i don't know the exact numbers but a quick google search indicated that he signed a 34 million over 5 year extension. That works out to 6.8 per year, which to me seems a lot for a role player.
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it's 5 years, $30 million.

$5 mil in his first year, and then $5.5, $6, $6.5, $7 over the next 4 years.
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that doesn't seem right as it's 4 million short the full amount.
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all the major salary sites list it in the values i gave. where did you find the $34 mil?
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just a quick google hit of amir johnson salary. Anyways i suppose i stand corrected (partially).
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Old 01-20-2012, 04:53 PM   #43 (permalink)
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Amir Johnson makes too much money.
Jerome Williams made more money 10 years ago.
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Old 01-20-2012, 05:48 PM   #44 (permalink)
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Amir Johnson makes too much money.
He's making around 5.5Mil this season. I would say that's about right.

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Old 01-21-2012, 11:17 AM   #45 (permalink)
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Jerome Williams made more money 10 years ago.
don't start justifying Nate Huffman's contract too!

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Old 01-23-2012, 09:56 AM   #46 (permalink)
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LEt's face in, Amir is terrible. What basketball skills does he actually have? Yeh - he works hard but I'd work hard for 5+ mil a season. He's exactly the kind of player which has landed us in this position. BC seems happy to sign below average players based solely on 2 aspects

1) 'Potential'
2) Willingness to be here.

This is the worst Raptor team I've ever seen. If you think we'll be vastly improved next season you're kidding yourself.
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Old 01-23-2012, 10:43 AM   #47 (permalink)
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This is the worst Raptor team I've ever seen. If you think we'll be vastly improved next season you're kidding yourself.
I have extremely tempered expectations but likely, minimum, 2/5 of the starting lineup'll change. That's a pretty big deal in basketball terms.
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Old 01-23-2012, 10:52 AM   #48 (permalink)
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I have extremely tempered expectations but likely, minimum, 2/5 of the starting lineup'll change. That's a pretty big deal in basketball terms.

Do you think that'll impact the W column?
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Old 01-23-2012, 10:54 AM   #49 (permalink)
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Depends on a whole host of factors that we aren't privy to at the moment. If we get a decent SF along with Valanciunas I'm sure it'd mean a better team.
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LEt's face in, Amir is terrible. What basketball skills does he actually have? Yeh - he works hard but I'd work hard for 5+ mil a season. He's exactly the kind of player which has landed us in this position. BC seems happy to sign below average players based solely on 2 aspects

1) 'Potential'
2) Willingness to be here.

This is the worst Raptor team I've ever seen. If you think we'll be vastly improved next season you're kidding yourself.
I totally disagree about Amir. He is a good young player that does hustle (usually) and clearly knows his role. He doesn't demand touches, take too many ill-advised shots or sulk over minutes. He's a solid third big, but we're relying on him as a top two..... With Andrea out it's even more of a discrepancy as he's used as a primary role and he's not capable.

Willingness to be hear is a good thing given our struggles to attract players with our poor winning history and lack of star power since the Vince days.
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Old 01-23-2012, 12:47 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Depends on a whole host of factors that we aren't privy to at the moment. If we get a decent SF along with Valanciunas I'm sure it'd mean a better team.
Our team next year will depend on:

A) Valanciunas and if he can adjust quickly
B) Who do we draft and do they fit in
C) can BC upgrade the SF/PG positions significantly with trades + capspace

If we draft say a SF and expect them to start and don't go out and get a legit starting SF we're pretty much fucked. And I still say we need a new PG that can play more up tempo and can take over games on occasion.

I really expect Colangelo to be aggressive next summer considering he'll be going into the final year of his contract and I would think he'll want to give Casey more to work with considering he's also going into the final year of his contract. Two significant moves + the right draft pick and we'll be a decent team next season imo.

This current team with a legit SF and a healthy Bargnani is probably a .500 team.

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Old 01-23-2012, 01:09 PM   #52 (permalink)
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Wow.

The wheels are off the bus, and even though when the year started, and EVERYONE knew the Bus didn't actually have any bolts holding the wheels on in the first place, guys here are exploding with anger and disbelief.

It doesn't take as much as you think to suck in the NBA, lack of talent in key talent positions will kill ya!!!! If you don't have a SG or a SF you're gonna lose, lots.

Amir is a great player to have. He's a bruising and hard working PF in the Horace Grant/ AC Green mold. He's being asked to Guard Centers, he's 6'7" 6'8" at best. It's a lot to ask him, same with Davis. One has to go , and the other needs to play Back up PG. Which is exactly the plan. This is try out season for these guys. Ask me and Amir is winning that battle, Davis is gonna get shipped. Clearly a very early guess, but is the season ended today, damn... I think Amir has shown a bit more umph than Davis.

As for the rest....meh. No use getting worked up
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Old 01-23-2012, 01:59 PM   #53 (permalink)
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I think it's pretty stupid we got rid of Alex English (well we didn't re-sign him), he was going such an amazing job with Amir, he could have really helped Demar as well.
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Old 01-23-2012, 02:10 PM   #54 (permalink)
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Bargnani is proving that we didn't overvalue him... he's a stud.
Rebounds per game

Luol Deng - SF - 6'9" - 7.8
Chuck Hayes - PF - 6'6" - 7.5
Carmelo Anthony - SF - 6'8" - 6.8
Kyle Lowry - PG - 6'0" - 6.6 g
Bargnani - PF - 7'0" - 6.5

Blocks per game


Eric Gordon - SG - 6'3" - 1.50
John Wall - PG - 6'4" - 1.06
Damion James - SF - 6'7" - 1.00
Brandon Rush - SG - 6'6" - 0.93
Bargnani - PF - 7'0" - 0.60

Yeah, AB is such a stud playing PF yet somehow getting out-rebounded by a PG a foot shorter than he is and racking up less blocks than guards who are 8"-9" shorter, and the sad thing '12 is a career high for rebounds for Bargnani lol....

Talk about one-dimensional...if Bargs is the best player on your team you know it's not very good.
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Old 01-23-2012, 03:04 PM   #55 (permalink)
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Rebounds per game

Luol Deng - SF - 6'9" - 7.8
Chuck Hayes - PF - 6'6" - 7.5
Carmelo Anthony - SF - 6'8" - 6.8
Kyle Lowry - PG - 6'0" - 6.6 g
Bargnani - PF - 7'0" - 6.5

Blocks per game


Eric Gordon - SG - 6'3" - 1.50
John Wall - PG - 6'4" - 1.06
Damion James - SF - 6'7" - 1.00
Brandon Rush - SG - 6'6" - 0.93
Bargnani - PF - 7'0" - 0.60

Yeah, AB is such a stud playing PF yet somehow getting out-rebounded by a PG a foot shorter than he is and racking up less blocks than guards who are 8"-9" shorter, and the sad thing '12 is a career high for rebounds for Bargnani lol....

Talk about one-dimensional...if Bargs is the best player on your team you know it's not very good.
Dirk

Rebounds 5.6
Blocks .6

Talk about 1 dimensional, what a piece of shit Dirk is, man how could anyone be so one dimensional. Having a bigman that gets so few rebounds and blocks is a recipe for disaster.

Dirk, even his name sounds pussy.
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Old 01-23-2012, 03:38 PM   #56 (permalink)
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Dirk

Rebounds 5.6
Blocks .6

Talk about 1 dimensional, what a piece of shit Dirk is, man how could anyone be so one dimensional. Having a bigman that gets so few rebounds and blocks is a recipe for disaster.

Dirk, even his name sounds pussy.
Dirk avgd better than 9 rebs, 1 stl and 1 blk a game for 5 straight seasons.

Plus he has a ring, a reg. season MVP and a Finals MVP.

When Bargs adds those stats to his resume he'll deserve a break.
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Old 01-23-2012, 04:06 PM   #57 (permalink)
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just for the record, chris Bosh did not average 9 boards, 1 block and 1 steal last year, and does not have a ring, an mvp or a finals mvp.
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Dirk

Rebounds 5.6
Blocks .6

Talk about 1 dimensional, what a piece of shit Dirk is, man how could anyone be so one dimensional. Having a bigman that gets so few rebounds and blocks is a recipe for disaster.

Dirk, even his name sounds pussy.
Dirk, the former NBA MVP, Finals MVP, NBA Champion and PF who's career average in rebounds is 8.3rpg and he's nearly 34yrs old. Are you seriously comparing Bargnani who's career average is 4.9rpg? Bargnani is a piss poor rebounder, including this season but he's a little better. Let's hope he continues to improve in that department.
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Old 01-23-2012, 05:30 PM   #59 (permalink)
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calm down there ya bunch of Bargs hater, reasoning behind the post was to discredit the one i quoted in regards to taking a small sample size in only 2 categories to equate a players value/worth.

Just settle down, take a deep breath, relax, have a smoke and a pancake.
We all know Bargs hasnt done as much a Dirk career-wise.
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Old 01-23-2012, 07:36 PM   #60 (permalink)
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just for the record, chris Bosh did not average 9 boards, 1 block and 1 steal last year, and does not have a ring, an mvp or a finals mvp.
I don't recall ever saying that those were strict qualifications for ALL players to be considered "great". Nice bait attempt though. Bosh DID avg. more than 9 rebs, and 1 blk in 3 different seasons with us. Never made it to 1 steal though... oh well. His current production might have something to do with the fact that he isn't the primary option any more and has to share touches with 2 superstar wing players.

How 'bout this? When Bargs avgs 22 & 10 for ONE season (much less 3 like Bosh did), or tallies 24 & 11 while shooting 50% from the field, or makes the all-star team half a dozen times or goes to the line more than 8 times/night THEN we can talk about a fair comparison.

Better?
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