Is this DeRozan's last chance?
Old 12-27-2011, 09:07 PM   #1 (permalink)
contemplating

The Killing Joke

 
Claudius's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Burkina Faso, Disputed Zone
Posts: 10,030
Representing:
Send a message via MSN to Claudius
Default Is this DeRozan's last chance?

A lot has been made how this is AB's last chance at success on the team and if he doesn't get with the program then he's likely gone etc.

Is this DeRozan's last chance as well? IF he doesn't show the improvement expected (primarily on the defensive end) would he also end up on the 'possible to be traded list'? Is any player really untouchable?

It's just a thought since we always crucify AB.
Claudius is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-2011, 09:14 PM   #2 (permalink)
Exalted

Senior Member
 
DDUnreal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,347
Representing:
Default

no, I really doubt people give up on him this fast. Andrea had alot more time before peoples patience thinned to the point hes at. As far as traded I don't think anyone of our players will be untouchable if they aren't playing the way Casey is preaching.
DDUnreal is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-2011, 09:18 PM   #3 (permalink)
LX
synapse jelly

In the Paint


 
LX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Toronto
Posts: 28,756
Representing:
Default

Yes, if he can't play defense. That doesn't mean he can't make any mistakes. He has to show that he doesn't consistently hurt the defensive schemes. Otherwise he won't be the right player for what this coach wants to do. It's not a terribly high bar, but he has to clear it by the end of the season.
LX is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-2011, 09:24 PM   #4 (permalink)
.

Senior Member
 
carp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Toronto
Posts: 11,494
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by LX View Post
Yes, if he can't play defense. That doesn't mean he can't make any mistakes. He has to show that he doesn't consistently hurt the defensive schemes. Otherwise he won't be the right player for what this coach wants to do. It's not a terribly high bar, but he has to clear it by the end of the season.
I disagree... last chance by the end of the year? If he can't his extension will just be less. It's definitely not his last chance.
carp is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-2011, 09:36 PM   #5 (permalink)
#NorthernUprising

Next year...
 
js12's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: T.O.
Posts: 5,581
Representing:
Default

Instead of saying "it is his last chance", I think it is more appropriate to say this is his turning season.

He can either build on his amazing year last year, and turn into an all-star calibre player. Or he can drop back to a rotation player.
js12 is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-2011, 09:44 PM   #6 (permalink)
LX
synapse jelly

In the Paint


 
LX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Toronto
Posts: 28,756
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by carp View Post
I disagree... last chance by the end of the year? If he can't his extension will just be less. It's definitely not his last chance.
If a player cannot implement the coach's system, then the coach needs a different player that can fill a proper role. If Demar can't properly fill a role then it's over. It wouldn't necessarily mean it's his last chance specifically. The same apples to every single player. It's the kind of accountability and team-building that Andrea has not had to deal with for a few years now. Inexplicably.
LX is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-2011, 09:46 PM   #7 (permalink)
Masai Ujiri

Senior Member
 
Kirby's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 6,800
Representing:
Default

Isn't he 21 years old..? Last chance is a stretch.
Kirby is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-2011, 09:59 PM   #8 (permalink)
is all bout dat life

Can't knock the Hustle
 
Nites's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 14,692
Representing:
Default

Give him 2 more seasons.
Nites is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-2011, 10:07 PM   #9 (permalink)
.

Senior Member
 
carp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Toronto
Posts: 11,494
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by LX View Post
If a player cannot implement the coach's system, then the coach needs a different player that can fill a proper role. If Demar can't properly fill a role then it's over. It wouldn't necessarily mean it's his last chance specifically. The same apples to every single player. It's the kind of accountability and team-building that Andrea has not had to deal with for a few years now. Inexplicably.
I would have loved to see Bosh play under Casey too.... imagine Bosh playing D? Would have helped tremendously but we didn't have defensive accountability during his years either. This franchise has lacked on that end since Chuck, K-dub and AD.
carp is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-2011, 10:16 PM   #10 (permalink)
LX
synapse jelly

In the Paint


 
LX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Toronto
Posts: 28,756
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by carp View Post
I would have loved to see Bosh play under Casey too.... imagine Bosh playing D? Would have helped tremendously but we didn't have defensive accountability during his years either. This franchise has lacked on that end since Chuck, K-dub and AD.
Bosh played defense. Make no mistake that he filled a role on defense under Mitchell, and under Triano. Mitchell had a very similar approach to Casey. But the GM didn't buy in fully. Instead of seeing how poorly Andrea performed, killing the culture the coach was trying to build, he fired the coach.
LX is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-2011, 10:23 PM   #11 (permalink)
.

Senior Member
 
carp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Toronto
Posts: 11,494
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by LX View Post
Bosh played defense. Make no mistake that he filled a role on defense under Mitchell, and under Triano. Mitchell had a very similar approach to Casey. But the GM didn't buy in fully. Instead of seeing how poorly Andrea performed, killing the culture the coach was trying to build, he fired the coach.
I disagree... Bosh didn't play D... I watched for years and refuse to be told now that he did or even does. Bosh did rebound though.
carp is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-2011, 10:36 PM   #12 (permalink)
LX
synapse jelly

In the Paint


 
LX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Toronto
Posts: 28,756
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by carp View Post
I disagree... Bosh didn't play D... I watched for years and refuse to be told now that he did or even does. Bosh did rebound though.
He certainly was more offensive-minded to begin with, like most young players. The team that won 47 games was better at defense than most of the league. They still needed to get better, but Bosh was part of moving in the right direction. If you want to say he doesn't play defense now even, then you've said enough. How in the hell do you come to defend Bargnani?

Anyway, if DeRozan can commit to defense as Bosh did when his team turned the corner, he will have done enough for the time being. Not an incredibly high bar as I said, but it's the sort of expectations that everyone on the team will have to meet. For the record I would say Andrea has cleared that bar so far.
LX is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-2011, 10:44 PM   #13 (permalink)
is the baby faced assassin

Senior Member
 
jeffb's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: YO MAMMA
Posts: 76,173
Representing:
Default

Andrea has had 5 seasons and is 26yrs old. Derozan has had 2 seasons and is only 21yrs old. Talk about this a year to 18 months from now maybe.
jeffb is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-2011, 11:08 PM   #14 (permalink)
not here

Tolerate my english
 
Rimpianto's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Rome\Edinburgh
Posts: 321
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffb View Post
Andrea has had 5 seasons and is 26yrs old. Derozan has had 2 seasons and is only 21yrs old. Talk about this a year to 18 months from now maybe.
Different roles. It's much easier to find another guard than a 7footer.
Plus Andrea learnt to play ball in europe, had to learn how to cope with NBA style.
Btw, is still to early for DD to talk about his final chance, but it's a different situation than Bargs.
Rimpianto is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-2011, 11:33 PM   #15 (permalink)
is pounding the rock!

Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 2,287
Representing:
Default

7 footers who can't block shots or rebound aren't very good prospects.
fk24 is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-2011, 12:31 AM   #16 (permalink)
not here

Tolerate my english
 
Rimpianto's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Rome\Edinburgh
Posts: 321
Representing:
Default

He can, it's just that he doesn't do
Rimpianto is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-2011, 01:22 AM   #17 (permalink)
payin Dwyane Wade

Senior Member
 
JoeyJoJo Shabbadu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 5,137
Representing:
Default

Scoring centres or bigs tend to take a longer time, are rarer and are worth a chance.

2s and 3s that score an average amount and don't play great defense are a dime a dozen. If he doesn't get it this year ... he won't get it next. Just doesn't take that long. And is that the end? Well if we draft a 2 or 3 he's still the 2nd best then likely, and stays but money will be an issue, and they won't pay ihm max or anything.
JoeyJoJo Shabbadu is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-2011, 01:31 AM   #18 (permalink)
the next dictator of MLSE

fresh and clean
 
Windex's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: uʍop ɹǝpun
Posts: 22,524
Representing:
Default

Bargs does things other 7 footers can't do, but he doesn't do things 7 footers should be able to do.
Windex is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-2011, 02:56 AM   #19 (permalink)
is pounding the rock!

Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 2,287
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeyJoJo Shabbadu View Post
Scoring centres or bigs tend to take a longer time, are rarer and are worth a chance.
You mean efficient scorers. Not big men who like to chuck 3's and score at an average efficiency.

It was this sort of irrational thinking that caused us to pick Bustnani over Aldridge.

You don't make a drastic leap in play after 6 seasons in the NBA, whether big or small.

Last edited by fk24; 12-28-2011 at 03:00 AM.
fk24 is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-2011, 03:07 AM   #20 (permalink)
in Houstatlantavegas

Scouting Specialist
 
Thug's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 3,770
Representing:
Default

He's only 21.

AT LEAST 1 more season.
Thug is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:04 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright RaptorsForum.com 2005-2011

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24