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Old 07-23-2013, 11:11 AM   #1 (permalink)
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DeMar DeRozan Looking At A Breakout Season

At 18.5 points per game, Toronto Raptors guard DeMar DeRozan was Toronto’s leading scorer for the first half of the season, and he likely would’ve stayed that way had then-team-president Bryan Colangelo not traded for scoring small forward Rudy Gay.

Despite the addition of another wing scorer in the middle of the season, DeRozan had his best year as a pro last season and is looking forward to having a full summer with Gay to figure out how to work off each other as a top-notch scoring tandem rather than two separate entities vying for touches on the offensive end.

“We’ve been working out a lot together over the summer, and it’s something we talk about, getting ready for next year and having a full start, a clean slate with me and him being together,” DeRozan said about his relationship with Gay. “It’s going to be big.”

Those two players alone were responsible for about a third of the team’s points after the trade deadline last season, and DeRozan’s scoring ability was a huge reason the team extended him last summer for four years and $38 million. That move was made at a time when the team believed he’d be their primary scorer, but even though he’s the secondary guy now, he’s still happy to have long-term security in a city he loves.

“This is where I wanted to be,” DeRozan said. “I wanted to be in Toronto long-term. I’ll definitely stick it through. One thing that I’ve been trying to do this summer is just working, getting ready for next season, coming around the team, being with the coaches trying to see what we can get better at next season and continue still being me as a player.”

DeRozan is spending the week in Las Vegas, working out at the Team USA minicamp with several other talented young players looking to earn a spot on the next Olympic basketball team. DeRozan is unique among the players there in that he’s a 6’7 shooting guard, a size advantage that has afforded him considerable NBA success.

As his jumpshot and defense improve, DeRozan hopes to not only make an impact there, but in Toronto, as well. In fact, he believes the Raptors could make the playoffs this season, a proposition that seems reasonable when one considers not only the shifting landscape among Eastern Conference playoff perennials, but also the fact that Toronto was the first team out of the playoffs last season. With reasonable improvement from DeRozan and a few other young stars, the playoffs could really happen for Toronto this upcoming season.

“That’s our goal. We’re trying to get better every year,” DeRozan said. “We’ve got a lot of talent on this team and we just have to continue working at it. We’ll see where it takes us.”

We’ll also see where it takes him individually. In the first year that DeRozan’s big extension kicks in, he’ll have to prove he was worth the money. Both he and the Raptors organization seem pretty confident he’ll do precisely that in the year to come
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Old 07-23-2013, 12:34 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Bench is garbage. No 6th man. Not even a poor man's 6th man like AA. Raps/Demar will underachieve.
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Old 07-23-2013, 02:18 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Bench is garbage. No 6th man. Not even a poor man's 6th man like AA. Raps/Demar will underachieve.
Well... if Terrence Ross can show some consistency then we'll have our 6th man. We'll see...

As of now our bench is basically a slightly upgraded version of last year's bench, at least what we were playing at the end of the season. At least we have depth coverage at pretty much every position (except center; we just bought out our 3rd man there). As of now our depth chart looks something like:

Lowry (Augustin/Buycks)
DeRozan (Ross/Fields)
Gay (Novak/Acy/QRich????)
A. Johnson (Hansbrough)
Valanciunas (Gray)

We're pretty weak up front on the depth chart, but I actually prefer Hansbrough over last year's version of Bargnani, who couldn't stay healthy and when he came back was slow, rusty and apathetic. Hansbrough will probably play more minutes at the 4 for us than he did in Indy; I expect him to play in the low 20's like his 2nd and 3rd season, unlike the ~17 minutes he played last year per game, when Indy was giving big minutes to David West (Amir Johnson, who is solid, is definitely no David West).

I'm also happy that Alan Anderson won't be taking crunch time shots for us anymore. You know your team sucks when your bit shot guy shoots 38% from the field. Ick!

Also, several of our young 1st and 2nd year players will be a year older and better (Valanciunas, Ross, Acy).

We also have more "1 skill" guys who should be able to do their thing more consistently compared to last season: rather than watch Bargnani try to do a bit of everything, off the bench we should have Novak hitting a couple 3's, Hansbrough hustling and getting garbage putbacks, and hopefully Ross discovering his game. OK, so I'm trying to polish a turd into a diamond a bit, but I do think that our team is much more soundly put together this year than last year. Bargnani and Calderon were not really a match for Casey's system.

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Old 07-23-2013, 02:43 PM   #4 (permalink)
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This is why I love this guy! Works hard, delivers (Oh shush the guy is a 20ppg guy, he's delivering), and is LOYAL. Hopefully he doesn't get traded..
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Bench is garbage. No 6th man. Not even a poor man's 6th man like AA.
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Terrence Ross is poop. Looking at him last season, he was supposedly one of the "NBA ready" prospects, yet he still lacked any ability to make an impact. His numbers are not pretty. While I think he could get better, i don't think we should hope he's consistent enough to be a 6th man next year.

What i'm really afraid of is that the bench has pretty much nobody who can take it to the hoop. It's pretty much just spot up shooters and rebounders and I don't trust Casey's ability to toy around with different rotations.

This is a team that is going to get owned by the better benches in the league like LAC, Denver, GSW, Cleveland, NYK, SAS, etc.
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This is why I love this guy! Works hard, delivers (Oh shush the guy is a 20ppg guy, he's delivering), and is LOYAL. Hopefully he doesn't get traded..
Loyalty is something i'll give him. But delivering...you said he delivers because he averages 20 ppg? 1st of all, he doesn't. 2nd, Mike James did that. 20 ppg is such an arbitrary number...
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I see him as a person who can average 20 on a team where the coach had a real offense.
Demar is a 18.5 or w/e on 45% on a bad offense team. The last time Demar was with a good offensive coach was Triano, where he averaged 17.1 (47% fg) on his second year. The year before he was super raw. Even though his number dropped with Casey the year after, with your eyes you could see he developed his game.

If Demar was with a coach who had a good offense, he'd be 20+ppg. 2nd of all Mike James did that on a 25 win team, I'm saying Demar can do that on a winning team. And I don't think it'd be 'crazy' to assume Demar can average 2 more points next season... and just read his tweets, and the reports on him... he's working harder and harder through each off-season. Including this offseason. The only reason why he might not average 20 points next season is cause who knows what the new offense will look like...
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I see him as a person who can average 20 on a team where the coach had a real offense.
Demar is a 18.5 or w/e on 45% on a bad offense team. The last time Demar was with a good offensive coach was Triano, where he averaged 17.1 (47% fg) on his second year. The year before he was super raw. Even though his number dropped with Casey the year after, with your eyes you could see he developed his game.

If Demar was with a coach who had a good offense, he'd be 20+ppg. 2nd of all Mike James did that on a 25 win team, I'm saying Demar can do that on a winning team. And I don't think it'd be 'crazy' to assume Demar can average 2 more points next season... and just read his tweets, and the reports on him... he's working harder and harder through each off-season. Including this offseason. The only reason why he might not average 20 points next season is cause who knows what the new offense will look like...
Players averaging volume points on a bad team is NOT a predictor for averaging more points on a better team. Volume scoring on a bad team is common. Efficient volume scoring on a good team - not so much.

If his work pays off and he improves, kudos to him and we reap the benefits. But I'm not going to predict 20 points on efficient numbers. He's been working hard every offseason and objectively improved facets of his game - but it hasn't translated statistically yet, and there's little reason to assume it will this year.
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I think the Gay and Demar combo which worked last season will show to work continually this season. To me there's little reason to assume it wont. With them two we were a .500, not a losing team and he averaged his 18.5 ppg then, on a good team. That's efficient volume scoring on a good team.
Both of them seem to only been working harder this off-season. They'll be better this season, and the combo already works, and it will only work better next season. I find that a good enough reason to assume he'll be better this year. And 1.5 more points in the same good team, with only improvements from the off season, isn't crazy to me...
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If he plays defense, and everyone follows Amir's lead that way, then they likely make the playoffs. The bench helps amply with that task. They could still use another two-way player off the bench, but this team can win enough to get to the playoffs as is.
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Terrence Ross is poop. Looking at him last season, he was supposedly one of the "NBA ready" prospects, yet he still lacked any ability to make an impact. His numbers are not pretty. While I think he could get better, i don't think we should hope he's consistent enough to be a 6th man next year.

What i'm really afraid of is that the bench has pretty much nobody who can take it to the hoop. It's pretty much just spot up shooters and rebounders and I don't trust Casey's ability to toy around with different rotations.

This is a team that is going to get owned by the better benches in the league like LAC, Denver, GSW, Cleveland, NYK, SAS, etc.
i'm ok if they go either way...if they can squeeze in 6-8 seed then we should use Rudy's contract in 14-15 to get a big fish if we are lucky.

if bench goes to south then let's tank and fight for 1-5 pick
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If he plays defense, and everyone follows Amir's lead that way, then they likely make the playoffs. The bench helps amply with that task. They could still use another two-way player off the bench, but this team can win enough to get to the playoffs as is.
Although yes it is possible, the playoffs are no guarantee. A lot is riding on the starting lineup's health.
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Old 07-23-2013, 04:43 PM   #15 (permalink)
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It was tough watching Demar as the No. 1 scorer. However with Gay and the progression of Jonas, Demar is a great no. 3 scorer. He gets to the line and shot 45% from the field last year. He has gotta to improve his defense to get to the next level, however I like the make-up of the starting line-up. Unlike prior years, we have a starting line-up that can compete on a nightly basis.
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It was tough watching Demar as the No. 1 scorer. However with Gay and the progression of Jonas, Demar is a great no. 3 scorer. He gets to the line and shot 45% from the field last year. He has gotta to improve his defense to get to the next level, however I like the make-up of the starting line-up. Unlike prior years, we have a starting line-up that can compete on a nightly basis.
If Demar can improve his jumpshot percentages to acceptable levels from 3 and from midrange, then he suddenly becomes a much more viable 3rd option. Defense he will have to improve of course, but that's so intertwined with the system (which was just messed up last year) that it is harder to quantify.
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The ball sticks.

Plays the game east west.

Poor handles.

Too much iso play.

Makes his teammates better?

Floats on defence.

The fade-away jumper as the shot clock winds down?

Ignore Matt Devlin's personal PR campaign pumping Derozan.

You betcha he want's to stick it out. We're easy.

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Ridiculous bullet points.

Yawn.

Yawn.

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Well... if Terrence Ross can show some consistency then we'll have our 6th man. We'll see...

As of now our bench is basically a slightly upgraded version of last year's bench, at least what we were playing at the end of the season. At least we have depth coverage at pretty much every position (except center; we just bought out our 3rd man there). As of now our depth chart looks something like:

Lowry (Augustin/Buycks)
DeRozan (Ross/Fields)
Gay (Novak/Acy/Q Rich)
A. Johnson (Hansbrough)
Valanciunas (Gray)

We're pretty weak up front on the depth chart, but I actually prefer Hansbrough over last year's version of Bargnani, who couldn't stay healthy and when he came back was slow, rusty and apathetic. Hansbrough will probably play more minutes at the 4 for us than he did in Indy; I expect him to play in the low 20's like his 2nd and 3rd season, unlike the ~17 minutes he played last year per game, when Indy was giving big minutes to David West (Amir Johnson, who is solid, is definitely no David West).

I'm also happy that Alan Anderson won't be taking crunch time shots for us anymore. You know your team sucks when your bit shot guy shoots 38% from the field. Ick!

Also, several of our young 1st and 2nd year players will be a year older and better (Valanciunas, Ross, Acy).

We also have more "1 skill" guys who should be able to do their thing more consistently compared to last season: rather than watch Bargnani try to do a bit of everything, off the bench we should have Novak hitting a couple 3's, Hansbrough hustling and getting garbage putbacks, and hopefully Ross discovering his game. OK, so I'm trying to polish a turd into a diamond a bit, but I do think that our team is much more soundly put together this year than last year. Bargnani and Calderon were not really a match for Casey's system.
1) T Ross is light years away from contributing consistently. Dude wouldn't be seeing the floor on a lot of other teams. He's just not ready.

2) As much as the Coaching staff and media have tried to convince you that Acy will be playing SF from time to time (on defence)...he's a PF through and through.

3) Fields is a SF and is listed as one. He is notoriously bad at SG (look up stats with him at SG beside Carmelo). He has shown in TOR and in NYC (before Carmelo) that he's a good SF with decent size.

So I've FIXED your depth chart.

Lowry (Augustin/Buycks)
DeRozan (Ross/???)
Gay (Novak/Fields/Q Rich)
A. Johnson (Hansbrough/Acy)
Valanciunas (Gray/???)

We need to waive/buy out Q Rich and sign a vet SG that can score. And TBH, out of the list of free agent SGs...sadly AA stands out the most.

http://hoopshype.com/free_agency/shooting_guards.htm

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Masai did mention they are looking to add a wing. AA could very well be back here.
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