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Old 03-20-2014, 05:04 PM   #101 (permalink)
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I loved the addition of Lowry. I thought a lot of people did. Bargnani and Calderon always had a great deal of love. They were never all-stars. And i don't know that anyone would say DeMar is elite. I just think he is effective and impactful. That could change within the way the team gets constructed. A wait and see approach should persist, because frankly his value is not going to dive. But i think he understands what he needs to do to be more impactful, even as this team evolves.

As for him taking pullup j's, that should hardly be caused by double teams in today's nba, where there is often very little room to maneuver in the paint. We saw DeMar get to the basket with no problem last night. Was that because his handles suddenly improved? Or was it because Anthony Davis wasn't waiting there? The truth is that he has done a good job of finding openings to at least get freethrows, and when there is nothing there he makes the pass or takes the pullup.
lot of people where pooping on Lowry last season.

Anyway as I already said I don't argue that DD has average handle's ( I don't necessarily agree thought) what I did argue was pzabby saying Demar and MJ have similar games. The difference in dribbling skills is ridiculous, so their games are much different
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Old 03-20-2014, 05:17 PM   #102 (permalink)
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lot of people where pooping on Lowry last season.

Anyway as I already said I don't argue that DD has average handle's ( I don't necessarily agree thought) what I did argue was pzabby saying Demar and MJ have similar games. The difference in dribbling skills is ridiculous, so their games are much different
There were a lot of people making excuses for Lowry too. He needed to make the adjustments he made this season, and get in better shape.

The good news is that this team is headed in a good direction. And that should mean that pitting players against each other makes little sense, whereas any claims could be made when looking at any one player to lead the team out of the darkness, or blame any one player for creating that darkness. It's really about the cohesion and executing a gameplan together. The growth in the awareness of that need in most all of the players here has made ideas of anyone needing to go a relic of the past. It's going to be more about how they need to play and adjust together now.
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I've been saying it for a while now but DeMar DeRozan is simply not a player you build your team around.

He has got to go.
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Old 03-20-2014, 08:34 PM   #104 (permalink)
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DeMar should not be the #1 option if your aspiration is to win a championship, but that doesn't mean he shouldn't be on this team. He's still a great building block.
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Old 03-21-2014, 12:22 AM   #105 (permalink)
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Old 03-21-2014, 08:00 AM   #106 (permalink)
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DeMar should not be the #1 option if your aspiration is to win a championship, but that doesn't mean he shouldn't be on this team. He's still a great building block.
I agree, but I think its a matter of looking at the overall roster. If he isn't a #1 option for a championship team and you want to keep him then which player/position would you say should be replaced or made the #1 option. I think most people would agree that the team should keep Lowry at PG. In that case I don't think Lowry would be a better #1 option. JV is looking like he will be the C of the future. He looks like he will be a core player but I think most people would agree that he too isn't a #1 option and that in this age of the NBA a C isn't really going to be a #1 option. This leaves only the other wing position and the PF position. These are potential positions to be #1 options but you would need to get someone a lot better at SF than DeMar to make that a useful move and that would probably mean sacrificing Ross cuz I don't think you can keep his 3 point shooting or his defense off the court. Right now his D and Lowry's D allows Demar to take the worse perimeter opponent. We could go the PF route but I don't really see many teams giving up their star PF. In order to get any of those I would have to say DeMar might have to be the one to go. I don't see a straight up FA signing of these level of stars.
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Lets evaluate DD after playoffs.. to early, we haven't won anything yet
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Old 03-21-2014, 10:47 AM   #109 (permalink)
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Maybe we don't need a glorified number one option a la the Pistons or Spurs to win a championship:cookie:
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Old 03-21-2014, 02:40 PM   #110 (permalink)
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This thread is awesome. :mu:
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Old 03-21-2014, 07:54 PM   #111 (permalink)
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DeMar should not be the #1 option if your aspiration is to win a championship, but that doesn't mean he shouldn't be on this team. He's still a great building block.
This pretty much.
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Maybe we don't need a glorified number one option a la the Pistons or Spurs to win a championship:cookie:
Um Pistons sure but Spurs - Spurs had and still have a top 10 player and the best PF to ever play the game.
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Um Pistons sure but Spurs - Spurs had and still have a top 10 player and the best PF to ever play the game.
But they don't have a glorified number one option. And a lot of the individual greatness grew out of how they play the game and the overall culture. A strong team game can do a lot to make individual players look good.
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I've been saying it for a while now but DeMar DeRozan is simply not a player you build your team around.

He has got to go.
Who said we have to build around him? He's a great piece.
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Old 03-22-2014, 11:15 AM   #115 (permalink)
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But they don't have a glorified number one option. And a lot of the individual greatness grew out of how they play the game and the overall culture. A strong team game can do a lot to make individual players look good.
While he was not glorified, he's still one of the greatest players ever to set foot on the basketball court. Without him they wouldn't have been the force they were. His impact on both sides of the floor were essential to their success.
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I've proven to be prophetic in this regard.
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Old 03-01-2015, 12:39 PM   #117 (permalink)
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Man oh man, never thought I'd be on board with this thread, but umm, I might be there.

I don't get it though, demar came back from the injury to play exactly how I hoped he would play. Yeah he would still shoot poorly, but as long as he racked up those 8 assists in a game I was fine with it because that meant he was generally making the right decisions and not forcing it. And now he continues his poor shooting, but with no assists in sight. Big nono for me. The old demar is back.

At the end of the day, for both Lowry and Demar, I feel like their egos have grown too much, their 'allstar status' made them think they're basketball gods, and they are above the team, the coach. Thats the worst thing that can happen in pro sports in my opinion, and may suggest the current core of the team is rotting.

I was just thinking yesterday that i remember more fondly watching those fragile raps teams in the bad years with Calderon at the point than this entitled group of isolation specialists. Ah, overreaction perhaps, but it's hard to watch these guys now.

The example has to be set by our 'leaders.' Put the team ahead of your personal egos, or get the f*ck out of my team.
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I've proven to be prophetic in this regard.
Let's hope he ups his trade value in the last 6 weeks of the season.
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Old 03-01-2015, 02:06 PM   #119 (permalink)
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Derozan doing his thing..

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Old 03-01-2015, 02:10 PM   #120 (permalink)
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Derozan doing his thing..

http://vine.co/v/O2ETQ0Oz9Dr
Yep that was the play I got the most pissed after during the game thread. I couldn't believe he looked of JV who was beasting to take yet another shit shot.
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