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Old 12-19-2011, 08:02 PM   #41 (permalink)
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The main thing about Toronto is that it's not in the US. Americans are generally uneducated about Canada and the perpetuated myths are unfortunate. Sure customs are a pain and taxes are on the higher end of comparable markets, but Americans would rather live and play in the US.
Yeah... true.

I will still never understand for the life of me why you'd rather live someplace like CLE, or OKC or MIN or DET rather than TOR though.

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Old 12-19-2011, 08:21 PM   #42 (permalink)
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The main thing about Toronto is that it's not in the US. Americans are generally uneducated about Canada and the perpetuated myths are unfortunate. Sure customs are a pain and taxes are on the higher end of comparable markets, but Americans would rather live and play in the US.
Customs is really not an issue for these players as has been discussed here several times. As for the taxes, that really isn't an issue either according to several people i've heard talk on the subject. More than anything it's an ignorance issue.
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Old 12-19-2011, 08:39 PM   #43 (permalink)
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First of all, Mo Pete was 23 years old in his rookie season and DeRozan just turned 22 and has already improved by leaps and bounds from his rookie season.

Secondly, Mo Pete is the most overrated player in the history of the Raps. He never improved one bit or added anything to his game from his rookie season onward. He couldn't dribble the ball to save his life, he was allergic to using his right hand and his defense was grossly overrated. He also whined anytime he didn't get his own way.
Yes, Mo Pete had less time for growth as he was 3 years older than Derozan when they first entered into the league. Mo Pete's defense wasnt the greatest, but he was one of the better defenders we had and he had good floor positioning which led him to take a lot of charges. Though he only had a 1 dimensional game, fans really liked him because he wasnt afraid to use his body, and was a consistent player. On the other hand DD is a more overall complete player than MoPete they both have problems with dribbling
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Old 12-20-2011, 04:20 AM   #44 (permalink)
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I dont see how you guys are comparing mo pete to derozan, lol two totally different styles of play. Derozan's working on his three pt shots, dont mean hes gonna be a mopetey, Id like to compare derozan to a younger version of VC, hes still young, we'll see what happens with him
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Old 12-20-2011, 04:44 AM   #45 (permalink)
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the season hasn't even started yet and everyone is making trends on one game .... don't see the logic on this one
Just to clarify, my opinion is based on 2 seasons and this first, not so pleasant, performance from DeRozan. I am not saying DeRozan is crap and I wouldn't say he's a Morris Peterson. But any idea, especially at this point, of DeRozan becoming a superstar, or even a consistent (season after season) all-star for that matter, would simply be illogical. Why does this bother me? Because DeRozan will end up getting paid 10+ million a year, which is arguably close to twice of what he's actually worth (per year) AND fans will more than likely be accepting of this.
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Old 12-20-2011, 06:05 AM   #46 (permalink)
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don't people think derozan is worth quite a big contract even if he only ever plays to last season's numbers!? Or let's say 2nd half of last season. Avg 18-20ppg as the second scorer is pretty good numbers. And you would guess he would do better on a better team as well.

for me, he's already worth 6-8mill and i think he will eventually be worth at least 10mill. If he can improve certain numbers by a small amount he's worth a lot more. ppg up by 1 or 2, fg % up by 1 or 2 tenths (that might be tough actually if he's taking more shots,) ast 1pg more, reb 1pg more, ste up 0.5. Am i crazy to think that easily achievable?

that would make him something like 20.5ppg, .470fg, 4.5rpg, 2.5apg, 1.5spg. That's worth a lot imo.
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don't people think derozan is worth quite a big contract even if he only ever plays to last season's numbers!? Or let's say 2nd half of last season. Avg 18-20ppg as the second scorer is pretty good numbers. And you would guess he would do better on a better team as well.

for me, he's already worth 6-8mill and i think he will eventually be worth at least 10mill. If he can improve certain numbers by a small amount he's worth a lot more. ppg up by 1 or 2, fg % up by 1 or 2 tenths (that might be tough actually if he's taking more shots,) ast 1pg more, reb 1pg more, ste up 0.5. Am i crazy to think that easily achievable?

that would make him something like 20.5ppg, .470fg, 4.5rpg, 2.5apg, 1.5spg. That's worth a lot imo.
exactly what i tought when i create the post:
for me if he reach those stats je can be worth 10-11M/years.
and those stats are the stats iguadola has since he is in this league, and he is not a scrub, so can we stop trash our players, please !
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Old 12-20-2011, 07:16 AM   #48 (permalink)
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don't people think derozan is worth quite a big contract even if he only ever plays to last season's numbers!? Or let's say 2nd half of last season. Avg 18-20ppg as the second scorer is pretty good numbers. And you would guess he would do better on a better team as well.

for me, he's already worth 6-8mill and i think he will eventually be worth at least 10mill. If he can improve certain numbers by a small amount he's worth a lot more. ppg up by 1 or 2, fg % up by 1 or 2 tenths (that might be tough actually if he's taking more shots,) ast 1pg more, reb 1pg more, ste up 0.5. Am i crazy to think that easily achievable?

that would make him something like 20.5ppg, .470fg, 4.5rpg, 2.5apg, 1.5spg. That's worth a lot imo.

Not happening:
1) shortened season = cluster of games = fewer minutes for star players (37-38 mpg to 33-34 mpg perhaps)
2) Greater focus on defense = fewer offensive possessions
3) Andrea Bargnani will take up many of his potential touches being the only Raptor who can actually create his own shot (on a consistent basis). In other words, whether Raptor fans like it or not, Andrea will be the #1 option on offense, not DeRozan.
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Not happening:
1) shortened season = cluster of games = fewer minutes for star players (37-38 mpg to 33-34 mpg perhaps)
2) Greater focus on defense = fewer offensive possessions
3) Andrea Bargnani will take up many of his potential touches being the only Raptor who can actually create his own shot (on a consistent basis)
all 3 of your points are valid.

but i wasn't neccesarily talking about the coming season. I was saying right now he's worth in the 6-8mill range and by the end of his current contract (inc team options) i think he will be at the levels i was saying.
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Old 12-20-2011, 07:24 AM   #50 (permalink)
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^true. But, I would be surprised to see the Raps not offer him an extension after this season. Not that I'm for it.
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Old 12-20-2011, 07:35 AM   #51 (permalink)
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^true. But, I would be surprised to see the Raps not offer him an extension after this season. Not that I'm for it.
we may take the risk of securing him now. Imo, totally worth it. He may fall short of all-star level but i'm so confident he can be a very solid player in this league, well worth 10-12mill per season.
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Old 12-20-2011, 09:57 AM   #52 (permalink)
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exactly what i tought when i create the post:
for me if he reach those stats je can be worth 10-11M/years.
and those stats are the stats iguadola has since he is in this league, and he is not a scrub, so can we stop trash our players, please !
Yes, Iggy's stats aren't worth trashing.... he's a very good player. DeRozan hasn't achieved those stats yet... he's not near Iggy's level yet.... let's not christen him yet either. If he gets a 10-11M per year contract, it's based heavily on potential. It's not trashing him, it's truth. Not every player with potential realizes said potential.
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Old 12-20-2011, 10:18 AM   #53 (permalink)
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People say Bargnani contract is great value @ 10 million per year. For a guy who get 20 pts but doesn't play a lick of defense and surrenders more rebounds than he actually gets. Even if they are not the same position, Derozan brings more to the table than Bargs will ever bring. For a franchise always needing a productive wing after VC, we finally have one. We have a nucleus of frontcourt players such as Ed Davis, Jonas, and Amir. Money would be better spent on Derozan than Bargnani who still seems lost on defense.
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People say Bargnani contract is great value @ 10 million per year. For a guy who get 20 pts but doesn't play a lick of defense and surrenders more rebounds than he actually gets. Even if they are not the same position, Derozan brings more to the table than Bargs will ever bring. For a franchise always needing a productive wing after VC, we finally have one. We have a nucleus of frontcourt players such as Ed Davis, Jonas, and Amir. Money would be better spent on Derozan than Bargnani who still seems lost on defense.
same could be said about DD..... lol
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The Comparison is Moot Rapman.

In fact this discussion has become a bit untracked. Why, if a player in not considered a star, do we immediately call them shit?

I know I didn't. I just said he isn't quite as good as he gets hyped. He['s hyped for obvious reasons, who else do you hype....even if Bags drops 30, its not an exciting 30 all the time....fans like dunks.

Giving Derozan 10 million...ya why not, I'm in. But a max contract would be highway robbery on his behalf,, at least I think so.

Whats that guy in Clips land make... Gordon I think....the kid that had two or three of the biggest highlite dunks last year???

now that guy is athletic!
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The Comparison is Moot Rapman.

In fact this discussion has become a bit untracked. Why, if a player in not considered a star, do we immediately call them shit?

I know I didn't. I just said he isn't quite as good as he gets hyped. He['s hyped for obvious reasons, who else do you hype....even if Bags drops 30, its not an exciting 30 all the time....fans like dunks.

Giving Derozan 10 million...ya why not, I'm in. But a max contract would be highway robbery on his behalf,, at least I think so.

Whats that guy in Clips land make... Gordon I think....the kid that had two or three of the biggest highlite dunks last year???

now that guy is athletic!
gordon is still on the remnants of his rookie contract? think he's on around 3.6mill? Won't be there for long!

i agree on DD tho. Said it before, although i think he has a genuine chance of being a VERY good player, we musn't give him anywhere near a max contract.
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nope, but you also gotta keep him, he's a very good player. And ya never know.... once that 3 starts falling, a whole lot of room opens up for a 2 guard.

I'm definitely on Team Derozan.... I just wish people would stop hyping him up to be the next Vince.... he hasn't a chance to be that.
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I want Bargnani gone. If he keeps playing like this hopefully we can get something of value for him and sell high. The Bargnani experiment has gone on for too long. I'd rather put Ed at the 4.
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wait, if your PF is 7 foot, plays defense, grabs 22 and 9 and can hit big shots down the stretch if needed, you want him gone?

Heh.

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wait, if your PF is 7 foot, plays defense, grabs 22 and 9 and can hit big shots down the stretch if needed, you want him gone?

Heh.

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