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Old 12-19-2011, 01:30 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I think we overvalue him MORE than others but I think other still overvalue him. If you look at it, many publications have him as a budding star.

After this season I don't think they will.
or maybe not !
i just watch the interview of casey after the game : and he clearly said that they don't have put in place the offense. and the beginning of camp was only 10days ago.
he has his moves, and he shows he can put some 3pts.
my prime concern is more about is positionning on the court. but i think that is about the "flow" offense isn't ready yet.
what i can say, he improve in shaing the ball a little. (yes one big mistake)
i will give him time. he has it on him. He need to show us he is a lion and not a sheep !
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Old 12-19-2011, 01:41 PM   #22 (permalink)
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wow, i'm surprised at people's pessimism on DD. I see him as a guy who could end up scoring 25ppg and being decent on D.

I find him very exciting to watch.
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Old 12-19-2011, 02:10 PM   #23 (permalink)
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What's sad about all this is DeRozan is going to go on to average 18-19 points and get a nice 5yr/50 million dollar extension when he's truly worth just a little over the MLE (seeing that he can shoot at least 35 percent from 3pt range). Also, let's get real, he's not a superstar and never will be. All-star, I mean he might get lucky with a few appearances (I.e. Mo williams) but in this guard driven league he simply does not stand out. As for all you saying "he's still young", truth be told, wing-players do not all of a sudden become great.
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Old 12-19-2011, 02:39 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Now that he can shoot the three looks like people are grasping for straws already.

Let him play out the season, and if he hasn't made any significant strides by the end of the season then we know exactly what we got.

3rd year is almost always the make or break year.
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Old 12-19-2011, 02:41 PM   #25 (permalink)
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What's sad about all this is DeRozan is going to go on to average 18-19 points and get a nice 5yr/50 million dollar extension when he's truly worth just a little over the MLE (seeing that he can shoot at least 35 percent from 3pt range). Also, let's get real, he's not a superstar and never will be. All-star, I mean he might get lucky with a few appearances (I.e. Mo williams) but in this guard driven league he simply does not stand out. As for all you saying "he's still young", truth be told, wing-players do not all of a sudden become great.

If he doesn't make that jump in play by the end of this year, i'm all for not giving him a big deal and/or trading him.
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Old 12-19-2011, 03:16 PM   #26 (permalink)
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wow, i'm surprised at people's pessimism on DD. I see him as a guy who could end up scoring 25ppg and being decent on D.

I find him very exciting to watch.
That would be a heck of a feat.

I hope that he proves me wrong but I just don't think that DD will ever be THAT good. Those are #1 option all-star numbers. Not sure if DD has that pedigree.

I'd be happy enough to see him develop into a Caron Butler/Richard Jefferson (20/5/5) type player though.
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Old 12-19-2011, 03:19 PM   #27 (permalink)
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That would be a heck of a feat.

I hope that he proves me wrong but I just don't think that DD will ever be THAT good. Those are #1 option all-star numbers. Not sure if DD has that pedigree.

I'd be happy enough to see him develop into a Caron Butler/Richard Jefferson (20/5/5) type player though.
I agree... I don't see him being as good as Iggy even.
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Old 12-19-2011, 03:32 PM   #28 (permalink)
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If he doesn't make that jump in play by the end of this year, i'm all for not giving him a big deal and/or trading him.
Beggers can't be choosers. There is reason why our roster is mostly composed of international players. Toronto will never be an idea situation for prime time free agents. With the winning tradition San Antonio, do you see all the big names flocking to SA. Derozan is a key piece for the franchise, pay him the 9-11 million per year.
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Beggers can't be choosers. There is reason why our roster is mostly composed of international players. Toronto will never be an idea situation for prime time free agents. With the winning tradition San Antonio, do you see all the big names flocking to SA. Derozan is a key piece for the franchise, pay him the 9-11 million per year.
Have the Spurs really had the money to throw at big time FAs though?

I'd assume that most of their team salary has been locked into TD/Manu/Parker for years now.
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Old 12-19-2011, 04:42 PM   #30 (permalink)
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Have the Spurs really had the money to throw at big time FAs though?

I'd assume that most of their team salary has been locked into TD/Manu/Parker for years now.
They were able to able to fit Jefferson's lucrative contract into their payroll. Lets face it, just watching the big time free agents and their selective destinations, its NY, CHI, MIA, LAs, NJ, Dallas. People always say draft right and build the team the right way like OKC (winning atmosphere), and great players will flock to your city. The reason Bosh left was because of the stupid Bargnani pick and bonehead moves like the trade for Turkolgu and JO trade. Did NY make the right draft picks and proper signings to make it the preferred destination for Amare and Camelo. During the Isiah's years, it was the worst run organization for the most of the decade. The teams I mentioned above will always have a big advantage against the other teams in this league.
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Old 12-19-2011, 04:48 PM   #31 (permalink)
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They were able to able to fit Jefferson's lucrative contract into their payroll. Lets face it, just watching the big time free agents and their selective destinations, its NY, CHI, MIA, LAs, NJ, Dallas. People always say draft right and build the team the right way like OKC (winning atmosphere), and great players will flock to your city. The reason Bosh left was because of the stupid Bargnani pick and bonehead moves like the trade for Turkolgu and JO trade. Did NY make the right draft picks and proper signings to make it the preferred destination for Amare and Camelo. During the Isiah's years, it was the worst run organization for the most of the decade. The teams I mentioned above will always have a big advantage against the other teams in this league.
DAL wasn't on the radar for YEARS... decades even. But they got an owner who proved that he was passionate about winning and it changed the perception of that team. WINNING did the work.

Back in the day if we could have kept VC and T-Mac or even VC and Bosh I think you'd have seen some FAs consider us.

Toronto is a great, great city. Easily top 10 in the league.... problem is we've just sucked for so long that everyone considers a punishment to come here. Very much like the Clippers TBH.

Speaking of LAC... I'll be shocked if they don't start becoming more of an attractive destination now lol.
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Old 12-19-2011, 05:42 PM   #32 (permalink)
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while we're on the topic, here's an interesting article basically saying boston has the same problem, attracting free agents. who would have thunk?

Danny Ainge's offseason airball could signal trouble ahead for the Boston Celtics - ESPN Boston
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The main thing about Toronto is that it's not in the US. Americans are generally uneducated about Canada and the perpetuated myths are unfortunate. Sure customs are a pain and taxes are on the higher end of comparable markets, but Americans would rather live and play in the US.
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The main thing about Toronto is that it's not in the US. Americans are generally uneducated about Canada and the perpetuated myths are unfortunate. Sure customs are a pain and taxes are on the higher end of comparable markets, but Americans would rather live and play in the US.
thats true but can you blame them? i'm sure everyone when given the choice would want to play in their home country. so toronto's situation has to be a lot better, because in choosing between two similar situations why choose canada?
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Old 12-19-2011, 06:44 PM   #35 (permalink)
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thats true but can you blame them? i'm sure everyone when given the choice would want to play in their home country. so toronto's situation has to be a lot better, because in choosing between two similar situations why choose canada?
so does this mean all the canadians want to play for toronto? Cuz weve been in the league for what 15 years and we just got out first. I wish it would happen tho, bring in steve nash and tristan thompson and all the rest, kaybe our national team would develop also
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Old 12-19-2011, 06:54 PM   #36 (permalink)
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Perhaps the reason we don't see his handles are because of the offense that he's in?
I mean lets be real...Jose dominates the ball...

How many ISO's does DeRozan ever get??

He can be special if we run the offense through him half the time.
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I'd rather not force feed Derozan the keys before he's earned it.... he's not ready... I think we may see another second half surge though....
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Old 12-19-2011, 07:10 PM   #38 (permalink)
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the season hasn't even started yet and everyone is making trends on one game .... don't see the logic on this one
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Old 12-19-2011, 07:44 PM   #39 (permalink)
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^yeah that its just preseason and 1 game and hes getting bashed. We all know how hard he has been working in the offseason. Downside is he's progressing slower than most guards who entered into the league. As most of the time they start having a complete game in their 2nd year. But once the season comes around I see him starting to be a more developed player, understanding where to position himself on the court and not be lost. He needs to show that he is a leader out there, and whoever said he is a Jrich type player I think is a great comparison. But along the lines of Jrich + MoPete together

*hint hint, I guess this is why players dont want to come to Toronto, Raptors fans are too judgemental on their players*
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Old 12-19-2011, 07:57 PM   #40 (permalink)
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First of all, Mo Pete was 23 years old in his rookie season and DeRozan just turned 22 and has already improved by leaps and bounds from his rookie season.

Secondly, Mo Pete is the most overrated player in the history of the Raps. He never improved one bit or added anything to his game from his rookie season onward. He couldn't dribble the ball to save his life, he was allergic to using his right hand and his defense was grossly overrated. He also whined anytime he didn't get his own way.
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