Deron Williams

Ammo · 03-17-2012, 05:39 PM

He's an all star. For sure B.C. will make the attempt.

A guy can dream. I bet at a minimum, you might expect numbers round about here within 3 years from this unit.

D-Wil 20 pts 9 assists 4 reb
Demar 16 pts 4 assist 4 reb
Barnes 16 pts 4 assists 5 reb
Bargs 20 pts 3 assists 7 reb
JV 14 pts 2 assists 10 reb

In Casey's sytem, they would be heard.

moujik · 03-17-2012, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 'trane

@moujik - just to be clear, for you the preference is 'get one of the best players in the league or don't spend any money'? is that right?

It's not my preference. We're not getting anyone, but sooner or later empty seats will result in silly moves. I don't believe in getting very bad (sorry, flexible) to get good.
my preference is - if you say you want to concentrate on D - do that and don't let somebody off cause they're good at O. You try that for a season, you have a chance to establish something. Now I can't watch when JJ is not on the floor.

EggsToTheBBQ · 03-17-2012, 05:50 PM

I don't think BC will do anything major with the cap space - there's a lot of guys on the roster that will need contracts before too long.

A max contract is, I think, out of the question, unless it's for a Durant/LeBron type player that's (IMO) worth more than the max.

I don't think Deron is in that class of player, because if he was the Nets wouldn't suck.

DonMughal · 03-17-2012, 06:38 PM

One thing Deron would get is a fantastic, young, fast, talented supporting cast fit to compete for years and there would STILL be no doubt it's his team..

DonMughal · 03-17-2012, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by EggsToTheBBQ

I don't think BC will do anything major with the cap space - there's a lot of guys on the roster that will need contracts before too long.

A max contract is, I think, out of the question, unless it's for a Durant/LeBron type player that's (IMO) worth more than the max.

I don't think Deron is in that class of player, because if he was the Nets wouldn't suck

Look at the players Deron has to deal with. Hump, an injured Lopez and Brooks won't get you over .500.

pzabby · 03-17-2012, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DonMughal

Look at the players Deron has to deal with. Hump, an injured Lopez and Brooks won't get you over .500.

thankyou, i was just about to post this. The nets got rid of their entire team pretty much for Williams, and that's why they aren't doing so well. Not everyone can be LBJ, but then again it doesn't mean he doesn't deserve the max.

Dario · 03-17-2012, 07:59 PM

I dont want a whining D-will in Toronto, last thing we need

Superjudge · 03-17-2012, 08:13 PM

he's a top talent, you have to pay top dollar to get top talent.

He also has to wanna be here... there is an issue.

moremilk · 03-18-2012, 02:08 AM

NJ has just as good of a supporting cast as ours. In fact it's a lot better if you discount JV who is such an unknown quantity. Derozan + Bargnani + JJ is not even close to what NK has now.

So why would he leave a ton of money on the table to come here? Especially when the alternative is Dallas.

DSWC · 03-18-2012, 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by moremilk

So why would he leave a ton of money on the table to come here? Especially when the alternative is Dallas.

I'm not saying that he WOULD come here, but if he did, it would be to "grow with a team", as opposed to join a team who is going to be on their down-swing really soon.

I'm happier than anyone about Dallas beating Miami last year, but it you look at some of their major pieces, they're getting really old. Dirk, Marion, the jet, Kidd, Carter...even Odom. If he signs with them, yes, they have another small window of a year or two, but after that, he may just be wanting out of there too, unless Cuban decides to make some major changes.

moremilk · 03-18-2012, 02:27 AM

I'm not so sure any non-raptor fan thinks any good of our core group of players. Our only assets right now are Casey and JV, and JV is a major unknown.

Now, if we get lucky and get our hands on the #1 pick, that could change things in a major way ...

pzabby · 03-18-2012, 02:48 AM

Id say Bargnani is a major assest and if you disgree well u must be more ignorant than our neighbors in the south

Admiral · 03-18-2012, 09:57 AM

Deron Williams is sticking in NJ as long as the possibility of D12 going there is alive. The only place he's moving to is where D12 will eventually move to too or if there's another super team being created and he's going to be the PG. Either way its not in Toronto.

Chiggmo · 03-18-2012, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by pzabby

Id say Bargnani is a major assest and if you disgree well u must be more ignorant than our neighbors in the south

Asset, yes... Major asset? No...

KoolAid · 03-18-2012, 02:12 PM

D-Will isn't coming, stop trying to feed yourselves this crap guys...You know it as well as I do.

pzabby · 03-18-2012, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiggmo

Asset, yes... Major asset? No...

explain yourself

bargnani is a 7 footer who, when not coming back from a 2 month injury is arguably one of the most potent offensive players in the league, who's defence is improving at an alarming rate, and who is consistantly putting more and more effort into the little things that win you ball games. If that's not a major asset, then what is? Not everyone is a kobe, LBJ, Wade, Bosh, etc..

Ammo · 03-18-2012, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by KoolAid

D-Will isn't coming, stop trying to feed yourselves this crap guys...You know it as well as I do.

It's less likely than some other destinations, but we don't know it. Any guy who is upset to leave Utah has a mind of his own. And not all of the best destinations have $17 mil to spend on him.

pzabby · 03-18-2012, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Ammo

It's less likely than some other destinations, but we don't know it. Any guy who is upset to leave Utah has a mind of his own. And not all of the best destinations have $17 mil to spend on him.

neither do we

. We can, but it doesn't mean we do, or will for that matter. How old is Deron anyways? if he's older than 28 i'd question throwing a max for more than 4 years.

KoolAid · 03-18-2012, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by pzabby

neither do we

. We can, but it doesn't mean we do, or will for that matter. How old is Deron anyways? if he's older than 28 i'd question throwing a max for more than 4 years.

He's 27.

Ex2k · 03-18-2012, 08:04 PM

I'd rather have Steve Nash... who wont be getting max money like D-will will be requesting and at less years... plus the great locker room and team attitude and mentor to a possible young future PG if ever one is drafted or traded for...

Not to mention the sexy pick and roll for the next few seasons with Bargs and JV

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03-17-2012, 05:39 PM	#21 (permalink)
Ammo T. Ross IS The Phantom Menace. Lackey Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Mighty North Tundra Posts: 3,256 Representing:	He's an all star. For sure B.C. will make the attempt. A guy can dream. I bet at a minimum, you might expect numbers round about here within 3 years from this unit. D-Wil 20 pts 9 assists 4 reb Demar 16 pts 4 assist 4 reb Barnes 16 pts 4 assists 5 reb Bargs 20 pts 3 assists 7 reb JV 14 pts 2 assists 10 reb In Casey's sytem, they would be heard.

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EggsToTheBBQ useless Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,200 Representing:	I don't think BC will do anything major with the cap space - there's a lot of guys on the roster that will need contracts before too long. A max contract is, I think, out of the question, unless it's for a Durant/LeBron type player that's (IMO) worth more than the max. I don't think Deron is in that class of player, because if he was the Nets wouldn't suck.

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DonMughal the boss Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Mississauga Posts: 3,771 Representing:	One thing Deron would get is a fantastic, young, fast, talented supporting cast fit to compete for years and there would STILL be no doubt it's his team..

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Dario straight ballin' Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Vancouver BC Canada Posts: 7,702 Representing:	I dont want a whining D-will in Toronto, last thing we need

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Superjudge is pounding the rock! Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 17,593 Representing:	he's a top talent, you have to pay top dollar to get top talent. He also has to wanna be here... there is an issue.

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moremilk whatever Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: toronto Posts: 8,581 Representing:	NJ has just as good of a supporting cast as ours. In fact it's a lot better if you discount JV who is such an unknown quantity. Derozan + Bargnani + JJ is not even close to what NK has now. So why would he leave a ton of money on the table to come here? Especially when the alternative is Dallas.

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moremilk whatever Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: toronto Posts: 8,581 Representing:	I'm not so sure any non-raptor fan thinks any good of our core group of players. Our only assets right now are Casey and JV, and JV is a major unknown. Now, if we get lucky and get our hands on the #1 pick, that could change things in a major way ...

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pzabby and a 1, and a 2, and a 1,2,3,4! Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: toronto Posts: 6,401 Representing:	Id say Bargnani is a major assest and if you disgree well u must be more ignorant than our neighbors in the south

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Admiral Sick, Wicked, and Nasty! Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 3,089 Representing:	Deron Williams is sticking in NJ as long as the possibility of D12 going there is alive. The only place he's moving to is where D12 will eventually move to too or if there's another super team being created and he's going to be the PG. Either way its not in Toronto.

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KoolAid home is where the no man's land is Sippin' On Myself Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 3,322 Representing:	D-Will isn't coming, stop trying to feed yourselves this crap guys...You know it as well as I do.

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Ex2k at ends with Casey Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 4,165 Representing:	I'd rather have Steve Nash... who wont be getting max money like D-will will be requesting and at less years... plus the great locker room and team attitude and mentor to a possible young future PG if ever one is drafted or traded for... Not to mention the sexy pick and roll for the next few seasons with Bargs and JV