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Thug 07-12-2013 10:48 AM

DeMar For Three?
 
Itís no secret that the biggest area in need of improvement in DeMar DeRozanís offensive game is his three point shot. If DeMar can consistently hit the outside shot, the Raptors as a team suddenly become a whole lot more dangerous.

I believe DeMar is going to return as a much better three point shooter this year. Take a look at his statistics from the last 3 games of this past season:

APR 14 vs Brooklyn: 3/4 from three
APR 16 @ Atlanta: 3/5 from three
APR 17 vs Boston: 3/3 from three

I understand this is a small sample size, but the fact is DeMar went 9/12 from three in his last three games played as a Raptor. This is important because it shows that he has been working on this, and was going into the offseason with momentum.

Combine this with the fact that it has been noted that his main focus this offseason has been developing his three point shot, and you have me as a believer that DeMar will come back a much better shooter.

Do you guys think DeMar will come back a highly improved outside shooter?


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ZanTheMan 07-12-2013 10:58 AM

That would be nice I guess but it wouldn't be the end of the world if he didn't. We have Ross (if he finds his stroke) and Novak (two 3pt specialists) to fall back on, and I'm sure Gay and Lowry can be decent shooters if fully healthy. Too bad our current backup PG apparently has no shot whatsoever sigh... smh... lol.

Hopefully we'll sign a true backup PG with a good 3pt shot. Once again, adding Ridnour would've been nice...

DanH 07-12-2013 11:16 AM

The 10 games before that, he went 0% from 3 (in 10 shots).

The 21 games before those 10 games, he went 15% from 3 (in 19 shots).

Wooooooooo!

Small sample size. I would love for him to improve - but I'm not holding my breath.

Ball Don't Lie 07-12-2013 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanH (Post 807348)
The 10 games before that, he went 0% from 3 (in 10 shots).

The 21 games before those 10 games, he went 15% from 3 (in 19 shots).

Wooooooooo!

Small sample size. I would love for him to improve - but I'm not holding my breath.

Bingo.

If Demar doesn't come into training camp with a consistent 3 point shot, can we put to rest the idea that he's such a hard worker? Him and everyone else knows if he adds this to his game with what he already has, he'll be one of the better SGs in the NBA, and yet he still hasn't developed any consistency. It's on him. If he still plays the same way next year, we should trade him. Midrange shooting SGs(without DWade esque athleticism) aren't effective in todays NBA.

Thug 07-12-2013 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ball Don't Lie (Post 807374)
Bingo.

If Demar doesn't come into training camp with a consistent 3 point shot, can we put to rest the idea that he's such a hard worker? Him and everyone else knows if he adds this to his game with what he already has, he'll be one of the better SGs in the NBA, and yet he still hasn't developed any consistency. It's on him. If he still plays the same way next year, we should trade him. Midrange shooting SGs(without DWade esque athleticism) aren't effective in todays NBA.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanH (Post 807348)
The 10 games before that, he went 0% from 3 (in 10 shots).

The 21 games before those 10 games, he went 15% from 3 (in 19 shots).

Wooooooooo!

Small sample size. I would love for him to improve - but I'm not holding my breath.

This is the year. He will be a three point threat.

Gurk 07-12-2013 12:30 PM

I really hope so because if he doesn't we will need to trade him, especially if Gay can't hit threes consistently either

0nekhmer 07-12-2013 01:06 PM

Last season he came in showing off his new post game. Which was ready effective up until teams started doubling him and Casey didn't know how to draw any post plays. Wouldn't be surprised if he does come in shooting more consistently

Carlito 07-12-2013 01:31 PM

There will be improvement ... lets not expect him to become a great 3 point shooter ... Decent percentage would be fine ... 35% +

creative1mm 07-12-2013 01:44 PM

well.. he was stroking it from deep nicely to end off the season, I think it will be a break out year for him

DSWC 07-12-2013 01:46 PM

I voted NO because of the wording. I don't think he'll be a "threat". To do that, he'd have to improve dramatically. I think there's definitely a chance that he's improved, but just not enough to be considered a threat. My vote was based on semantics.

LET'S GO RAPTORS!!!!! 07-12-2013 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanH (Post 807348)
The 10 games before that, he went 0% from 3 (in 10 shots).

The 21 games before those 10 games, he went 15% from 3 (in 19 shots).

Wooooooooo!

Small sample size. I would love for him to improve - but I'm not holding my breath.

+1

Agreed, but he makes so many marginal improvements every year :mattyd:

LET'S GO RAPTORS!!!!! 07-12-2013 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ball Don't Lie (Post 807374)
Bingo.

If Demar doesn't come into training camp with a consistent 3 point shot, can we put to rest the idea that he's such a hard worker? Him and everyone else knows if he adds this to his game with what he already has, he'll be one of the better SGs in the NBA, and yet he still hasn't developed any consistency. It's on him. If he still plays the same way next year, we should trade him. Midrange shooting SGs(without DWade esque athleticism) aren't effective in todays NBA.

+1

However it's more than just athleticism that DWade has obviously. Ball handling skill, d, court vision, etc.

LET'S GO RAPTORS!!!!! 07-12-2013 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DSWC (Post 807420)
I voted NO because of the wording. I don't think he'll be a "threat". To do that, he'd have to improve dramatically. I think there's definitely a chance that he's improved, but just not enough to be considered a threat. My vote was based on semantics.

That too. It'll be really hard for him to become a 35% guy this season. I can see a probable 30%. That's more realistic but - not a threat.

finstock 07-12-2013 02:07 PM

I'm hoping Nurse stresses the importance of the corner 3, because it certainly wasn't an integral part of Casey's "offence". Demar doesn't have the range to shoot 3's from where ever he chooses, so if he's not in the post or coming off a pin down he should be in the corner. Kawhi Leonard has similar range but shoots a respectable clip from downtown because he launches mostly corner 3's.

LET'S GO RAPTORS!!!!! 07-12-2013 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finstock (Post 807435)
I'm hoping Nurse stresses the importance of the corner 3, because it certainly wasn't an integral part of Casey's "offence". Demar doesn't have the range to shoot 3's from where ever he chooses, so if he's not in the post or coming off a pin down he should be in the corner. Kawhi Leonard has similar range but shoots a respectable clip from downtown because he launches mostly corner 3's.

+1

Well said.

Ligeia 07-12-2013 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thug (Post 807344)
It’s no secret that the biggest area in need of improvement in DeMar DeRozan’s offensive game is his three point shot. If DeMar can consistently hit the outside shot, the Raptors as a team suddenly become a whole lot more dangerous.

I believe DeMar is going to return as a much better three point shooter this year. Take a look at his statistics from the last 3 games of this past season:

APR 14 vs Brooklyn: 3/4 from three
APR 16 @ Atlanta: 3/5 from three
APR 17 vs Boston: 3/3 from three

I understand this is a small sample size, but the fact is DeMar went 9/12 from three in his last three games played as a Raptor. This is important because it shows that he has been working on this, and was going into the offseason with momentum.

Combine this with the fact that it has been noted that his main focus this offseason has been developing his three point shot, and you have me as a believer that DeMar will come back a much better shooter.

Do you guys think DeMar will come back a highly improved outside shooter?


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Before that 3 game stretch, he was what, 20/100 from 3? This is the beauty of stats: they can help you believe whatever you want if you know (or don't know) how to misuse them.

Maybe he will be a better 3 point shooter this year, but a 3 game stretch at the end of the season (after 3 years of poor shooting from 3) doesn't really show that.

bjjs 07-12-2013 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DSWC (Post 807420)
I voted NO because of the wording. I don't think he'll be a "threat". To do that, he'd have to improve dramatically. I think there's definitely a chance that he's improved, but just not enough to be considered a threat. My vote was based on semantics.

I voted yes because of the wording. A "threat" imo is just somebody who can hit the open three and keep the defense honest when the offense is exploiting a matchup on the other side of the court.

You don't need to shoot a high-percentage to be a threat. You just need to be good enough to keep your defender close.

It's actually kind of silly because if you watch Raptor games, Demar is guarded regardless of his three point shooting efficiency. Teams are guarding him out at the three point line because they want to push him out of the post.

If Demar comes out guns-a-blazing from three that will be concerning. It's not his game.

He just needs to be able to spot up and hit the easy one when Rudy has it going on the other side of the court.

halphbreedballer 07-12-2013 02:35 PM

I think he will hit the 3 with a bit more regularity this season.

He has to, unless he wants to get traded before the deadline IMO

Admiral 07-12-2013 03:05 PM

i feel like he's had enough years to figure out the 3 point shot, so if he hasn't yet he's not going to become a threat, he might be able to improve it a bit but definitely not to the point of being called a threat

AR1815 07-12-2013 03:09 PM

I don't think he'll be a real "threat," but I hope he can at least hit enough to keep defenses honest. He hit 26% and 28% over the last two seasons, so a 2/3% (to 30/31%) bump is reasonable to expect...


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