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GODputasmile 01-03-2011 01:53 PM

Is Demar really that bad
 
Wow Demar has the leagues worst plus/minus stat. Can Demar really be that bad? or are the raptors just bringing him down?

NBA.com: AutoTrader +/- Stat

Raptorman 01-03-2011 02:04 PM

Chris Bosh is the highest

NBA.com: AutoTrader +/- Stat

Sigh

GrannyFro 01-03-2011 02:07 PM

he's probably played the most minutes on the team due to starting every game and when your team loses alot and you play the most minutes your at a huge disavantage in the stat

D definitelly needs to get better though, right now he's kind of turning into the bargnani of 2 guards. That may be contributing

thought 01-03-2011 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Raptorman (Post 487344)
Chris Bosh is the highest

NBA.com: AutoTrader +/- Stat

Sigh

if only demar got to play behind two of the top five perimeter defenders in the league.

the positive thing about demar's defense is that to me it seems like it's more of an awareness/experience issue than an effort issue. with bargnani i feel like it's been both most of the time. demar's leaving it on the floor and getting after it, which is all you can really ask at this point. hardest position to defend aside from the point.

jj33 01-03-2011 02:37 PM

The stat is bogus! Who cares about +/-. Your 2 best players are worst on the +/-. It's normal coz we loosing every game!

10gizzle 01-03-2011 02:46 PM

I wouldn't call EITHER Wade or Lebron a "top 5 perimeter defender in the league".

jeffb 01-03-2011 03:12 PM

+/- is bullshit. The only plus minus stat I look at for the most part is points for VS points against as a team.

carp 01-03-2011 03:20 PM

Of course his +/- is going to be terrible.... look around the league and you can see SG's score. Is he playing better defence? Yes. He's improving, but he also has to continue to be aggressive and make opposing SG guard him.... which hasn't always been the case.

The kid is improving... let's worry about what evolves out of the SF position and incoming draft picks or trade possibilities....

BballWatcher 01-03-2011 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raptorman (Post 487344)
Chris Bosh is the highest

NBA.com: AutoTrader +/- Stat

Sigh

Kobe Bryant is a 118, while Vince Carter was a 152 on the Magic. I smell a trade coming!
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The +/- stat does have its uses, and it's especially effective for teams to evaluate their most effective lineups, but for a struggling team, it's pretty much a given that many of their good players will be among the bottom. Tyreke Evans is a -170; he's struggling this year, but 29 other teams would still love to have him!

jeffb 01-03-2011 03:33 PM

We're one of the worst defensive teams in the league and we're 11 games under .500 it shouldn't exactly be shocking.

fresh n' spicy 01-03-2011 04:38 PM

demar isnt a bad defender hes athletic and can cause problems on defence. if demar is on the court and the players hes not guarding (centre, pf) are scoring all the time of course its going to be bad the only stat which should matter is his opposing sg then the + / - stat should matter otherwise its a useless stat.

gabe91 01-03-2011 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by 10gizzle (Post 487356)
I wouldn't call EITHER Wade or Lebron a "top 5 perimeter defender in the league".

Nah its pretty much a fact

MARTYNAS 01-03-2011 04:45 PM

Demar isn't that bad (Period)

'trane 01-03-2011 04:51 PM

hell no.

Acie 01-03-2011 04:55 PM

A prime example of +/- being misleading at times would be the Houston game. He went to the bench early with foul trouble and the first quarter was the only time the team collectively was sticking shots and playing hard d.

Scully 01-03-2011 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by fresh n' spicy (Post 487387)
demar isnt a bad defender hes athletic and can cause problems on defence. if demar is on the court and the players hes not guarding (centre, pf) are scoring all the time of course its going to be bad the only stat which should matter is his opposing sg then the + / - stat should matter otherwise its a useless stat.

Being athletic is an asset to playing defense, it doesn't make you a good defender. Yes, DDR cause problems on defense,for us. He is so easily drawn off his man its ridiculous. If you see some shooting an open jumper from the corner on a drive and kick, it is most likely DDR's man. He often gets matched up against bigs on D because he loses his man in transition. He has a lot offensive ability, but in terms of the NBA, he isn't even a middle of the pack defender.

Admiral 01-04-2011 03:01 PM

+/- is the most bogus stat in bball, even in hockey it can be arguable
think about it this way, lets say you're 1 of those deep bench players that only come in during garbage minutes, so your team is down like 20 points with 5-10 minutes left and nobody even cares about the game anymore because its been decided, so you play out the rest of the game and and your team loses by 10 points, so what? you gained 10 points on the opposing team, so you're a +10 for the game and so you're a better player than the starter you replaced because he has a -20 when the game was in the balance???!!!


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