Demar Derozan or Jimmy Butler?
Old 12-22-2013, 02:57 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Dubin:*Butler, so long as the "real" Butler bears more resemblance to the one we saw for the last 50 or so games of last season instead of the one we saw the first nine games of this season, which I believe it does. Put more simply, I have more confidence that Butler is an impact defender than I do that DeRozan is a solid playmaker with a 3-point stroke.

Elhassan:*Butler, although this is a bit of an apples-to-oranges comparison. They are asked to do different things; DeRozan is a high-usage scoring wing while Butler is a 3-and-D specialist. However, DeRozan isn't superlative at his role, while Butler is. Also, DeRozan's bang-for-buck ratio is considerably worse than Butler's.

Lynch:*Jimmy Butler. He's fighting injuries this season, but when he's healthy -- and I think he'll be back to 100 percent soon -- he's the better defender by quite a bit, and a slightly more efficient offensive option. DeRozan gets unfairly maligned at times, but I worry that his efficiency might take a bit of a dip if he's required to take some of the shots that the recently relocated*Rudy Gay*was taking in Toronto.

Robb:*Jimmy Butler. DeRozan has made strides this season, but lacks the kind of consistency on both ends of the floor you want to see in a shooting guard. Meanwhile, Butler is younger, a better shooter, and already has proven he can handle big-time games against quality opposition.

Strauss:*Jimmy Butler plays a wiser brand of basketball. Even in a "great" DeRozan season, DeMar's still not scoring all that efficiently. I prefer Butler's defense and his "less is more" approach to offense.
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Seems about right, though I think of Butler as a 3 playing the 2 because of a teammate, similar to what Paul George did early in his career.
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I haven't seen Jimmy Butler make a basket yet this year. Watched a handful of Bulls games on WGN.
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Old 12-22-2013, 03:58 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I'd take Butler too. He's one of the best defensive players in the NBA, and his offence, like Derozans, has improved a lot year by year. The difference is CHIs offence doesn't include Butler as a primary option so hes limited to being a spot up shooter or late clock slasher, but he's extremely smart and you know that he's going to make the right plays nightly. In general, this comparison comes down to defence, because if Demar could improve to become an above average defender, than he'd be the better player, but he still hasn't shown that he can be a good defender on a consistent basis. Being elite at something as big as individual and team defence sets Butler apart in this comparison.
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I haven't seen Jimmy Butler make a basket yet this year. Watched a handful of Bulls games on WGN.
I have him on my fantasy team. When he's healthy he's been quite good.
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Old 12-22-2013, 04:33 PM   #6 (permalink)
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it's a tough one, last season it would have been an easy choice ... I think demar is a little better, but butler is a better building piece. Salary wise, soon butler will have to be paid, so long term it's not that big of an advantage.

for me, demar has the same issue as bosh, what he does best, he doesn't do it well enough. And you absolutely have to pair him with a defensive specialist on the wings, you don't want demar defending durant or lebron or george in the playoffs. Butler you can plug on any team and will fit like a glove ...
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Man, regardless who is better, I think Derozan is facing alot of pressure and alot of disrespect. The guy is on the block for getting traded and comparisons between him and other players is emerging.
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Old 12-22-2013, 06:18 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Derozan. It is comparing apples to oranges. Butler gets the benefit of the doubt for playing a role, any role in a playoff series.

If Derozan stays at the level he's at now, and Butler doesn't improve, Derozan is the better player. Derozan staying as a top 15 scorer in the league is better than being a tier 2 defensive stopper. The opportunity for Butler to show his offensive arsenal is right there waiting for him, Chicago is desperate for someone to step up.
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Old 12-22-2013, 06:26 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Derozan. It is comparing apples to oranges. Butler gets the benefit of the doubt for playing a role, any role in a playoff series.

If Derozan stays at the level he's at now, and Butler doesn't improve, Derozan is the better player. Derozan staying as a top 15 scorer in the league is better than being a tier 2 defensive stopper. The opportunity for Butler to show his offensive arsenal is right there waiting for him, Chicago is desperate for someone to step up.
My thoughts exactly. If Butler were here in Toronto I'd wager that his offense (and perhaps his defense) wouldn't look nearly as good as it has to this point. Guy only takes 8 shots/gm... how can you judge a player's offense with such a small sample size?

A lot is asked of Demar due to our lack of offensive punch. And there are precious few players in the league who are strong on both sides of the ball.
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My thoughts exactly. If Butler were here in Toronto I'd wager that his offense (and perhaps his defense) wouldn't look nearly as good as it has to this point. Guy only takes 8 shots/gm... how can you judge a player's offense with such a small sample size?

A lot is asked of Demar due to our lack of offensive punch. And there are precious few players in the league who are strong on both sides of the ball.
Likewise you could say if Demar wasn't on such a shitty team and had better guys around him to take away shots from him, he definitely wouldn't look as good either.
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Likewise you could say if Demar wasn't on such a shitty team and had better guys around him to take away shots from him, he definitely wouldn't look as good either.
Not sure it works the same way... Chris Bosh has better guys around him now than he did when he was here... and although his numbers aren't the same he's still the same player. Just as good.
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If Butler played in Canada they'd say DeRozan
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Not sure it works the same way... Chris Bosh has better guys around him now than he did when he was here... and although his numbers aren't the same he's still the same player. Just as good.
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Why wouldn't I be? In fact, he's probably better than he was as a Raptor. His 3pt shot is more consistent and his defense has improved some as well.
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Why wouldn't I be? In fact, he's probably better than he was as a Raptor. His 3pt shot is more consistent and his defense has improved some as well.
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Why wouldn't I be? In fact, he's probably better than he was as a Raptor. His 3pt shot is more consistent and his defense has improved some as well.
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My thoughts exactly. If Butler were here in Toronto I'd wager that his offense (and perhaps his defense) wouldn't look nearly as good as it has to this point. Guy only takes 8 shots/gm... how can you judge a player's offense with such a small sample size?
By what else he does beyond shooting the ball.

It's pretty simple to me. Butler is the smarter player both offensively and defensively.

DeRozan is a more gifted scorer.

They're so different that it's not really fair to compare the two. So, on this team, DeMar is the better fit. Butler fits the Chicago mold and what they do there offensively. Personally, I take Butler simply because I really like how hard he works defensively.
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By what else he does beyond shooting the ball.

It's pretty simple to me. Butler is the smarter player both offensively and defensively.

DeRozan is a more gifted scorer.

They're so different that it's not really fair to compare the two. So, on this team, DeMar is the better fit. Butler fits the Chicago mold and what they do there offensively. Personally, I take Butler simply because I really like how hard he works defensively.
Fair enough. I still point to the sample size when it comes to Butler though. Bruce Bowen was a tough defender who could hit shots.... but would he excel as much as he did if he had been asked to score 20/night as well?

We'll see how things go for Butler. Maybe he'll prove me wrong.
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