Delfino Bird Rights Question.
Old 07-25-2009, 01:22 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Keep hearing we may sign Delfino to a one year contract and not three years. If we do that, do we not lose his bird rights next season. If that's the case, will we be able to sign him again next year if we don't have cap space? Wouldn't it be better to sign him longer and fix our wing depth for next year as well?
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i believe we would lose the rights, but there is fear of his salary on the books long term because after extending or re-signing chris we will be quite near lux tax territory.
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we'd still own his bird rights, but he would be an unrestricted free agent opposed the the restricted free agent he is today.
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you sure about that funk?
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almost positive. i used to know the cba fairly well. i'll double check it, though.
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i checked. you're right. i should have known that...

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To qualify as a Bird free agent, a player must have played three seasons without being waived or changing teams as a free agent. This means a player can obtain "Bird rights" by playing under three one-year contracts, a single contract of at least three years, or any combination thereof. It also means that when a player is traded, his Bird rights are traded with him, and his new team can use the Bird exception to re-sign him. Bird-exception contracts can be up to six years in length.
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I am pretty sure that Carlos is an unrestricted free agent right now because we renounced his qualifying offer to sign Turk, but kept his bird rights. He is free to sign for any team but with bird rights we could trump any contract offered to him.

Nice find Trane, thanks. if i'm reading that right, we should still retain his bird rights because it doesn't matter if his contract is broken up after we gained his bird rights. I hope thats the case because we do have about $6-7mill in expiring contracts on the books for next year exluding what we do with Carlos.
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He won't be arestricted free agent next year if it was a one year deal. WE will still have his rights but now we just won't be able to match an offer sheet given by another team
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He won't be arestricted free agent next year if it was a one year deal. WE will still have his rights but now we just won't be able to match an offer sheet given by another team
Thanks. I believe we don't have a right to match any offer now either because we pulled his qualifying offer off the table to sign Turk. But he wants to be here and we could probably convince him to come here if we give him the same amount he is offered by someone else. As long as we retain his bird rights as it seems we will, we can sign him again to a longer contract next year, even if we're over the cap.

I think Colangelo is also concerned about being over the cap next year if Bosh outright walks. That's why he wants to sign eveyone to one year contracts now. This way we can go under the cap next year with all the expirings and take advantage of the $17 mill space Bosh would open up. Than we could sign sign a choice free agent to take Bosh's place, to any amount. If Bosh just walks and we're over the cap $10 mill, we will only be able to use $7mill of his money to sign someone elses free agent when we subtract his $17mill. Hypothetically if we're $17mill over cap and he leaves, it would open up zero cap space to sign someone. We could only use exception money to sign someone.

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Old 07-26-2009, 05:52 AM   #10 (permalink)
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ok sign or don't sign, delfino needs to make a decison nothing over 4 million, i want the damn season to START soon
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i'm pretty sure we did not have to renounce our RFAs in the hedo signing because of that 4 team trade we pulled off which made hedo a sign and trade instead of a straight up sign, i'm almost certain that allowed us to maintain the bird rights to delfino
but after his next contract he will only be a FA
we need delfino because right now the SF/SG position is really only hedo, demar, and wright, with jack being able to play SG but should probably be PG and george as a possibility but really is useless and wright really isn't that much better, so delfino is really needed there
and in the PG position it is jose, jack, and roko and if this team is to be a good team we really don't want roko playing, especially if either jose or jack go down on an injury, i really don't want to see roko playing significant minutes like last year when we found out solomon is useless
delfino can play PG, SG, and SF positions at a decent level, kind of like a hedo but not as consistent and without the 6'10" frame
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Thanks. I believe we don't have a right to match any offer now either because we pulled his qualifying offer off the table to sign Turk. But he wants to be here and we could probably convince him to come here if we give him the same amount he is offered by someone else. As long as we retain his bird rights as it seems we will, we can sign him again to a longer contract next year, even if we're over the cap.

I think Colangelo is also concerned about being over the cap next year if Bosh outright walks. That's why he wants to sign eveyone to one year contracts now. This way we can go under the cap next year with all the expirings and take advantage of the $17 mill space Bosh would open up. Than we could sign sign a choice free agent to take Bosh's place, to any amount. If Bosh just walks and we're over the cap $10 mill, we will only be able to use $7mill of his money to sign someone elses free agent when we subtract his $17mill. Hypothetically if we're $17mill over cap and he leaves, it would open up zero cap space to sign someone. We could only use exception money to sign someone.
True.

Players signed for 2010-2011
Hedo Turkoglu $10,600,000 (signed through 2013-2014) (approx salary)
Jose Calderon $8,219,009 (signed through 2012-2013)
Andrea Bargnani $6,527,490 (signed through 2014-2015)
Jarrett Jack $5,000,000(signed through 2012-2013)
Reggie Evans $4,960,000 (signed through 2010-2011)
Marcus Banks $4,553,793 (signed through 2010-2011)
Derozan 9th pick $2,282,640(team options for 2011-2012 & 2012-2013)
Roko Ukic $1,350,000 (player option for 2010-2011)

Total: $43,492,932

If cap drops to around $55 mil that leaves BC with just over $11mil to sign a replacement for Bosh. The bench could suck again though as their would be no MLE or BAE, just minimum to fill in for anyone else that decided to leave.
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True.

Players signed for 2010-2011
Hedo Turkoglu $10,600,000 (signed through 2013-2014) (approx salary)
Jose Calderon $8,219,009 (signed through 2012-2013)
Andrea Bargnani $6,527,490 (signed through 2014-2015)
Jarrett Jack $5,000,000(signed through 2012-2013)
Reggie Evans $4,960,000 (signed through 2010-2011)
Marcus Banks $4,553,793 (signed through 2010-2011)
Derozan 9th pick $2,282,640(team options for 2011-2012 & 2012-2013)
Roko Ukic $1,350,000 (player option for 2010-2011)

Total: $43,492,932

If cap drops to around $55 mil that leaves BC with just over $11mil to sign a replacement for Bosh. The bench could suck again though as their would be no MLE or BAE, just minimum to fill in for anyone else that decided to leave.
Nice breakdown. Thx. Now if they could only trade Marcus Banks for someone else's stiff on a one year, we would free up another $4.5 mill next.
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i'm pretty sure we did not have to renounce our RFAs in the hedo signing because of that 4 team trade we pulled off which made hedo a sign and trade instead of a straight up sign, i'm almost certain that allowed us to maintain the bird rights to delfino
but after his next contract he will only be a FA
we need delfino because right now the SF/SG position is really only hedo, demar, and wright, with jack being able to play SG but should probably be PG and george as a possibility but really is useless and wright really isn't that much better, so delfino is really needed there
and in the PG position it is jose, jack, and roko and if this team is to be a good team we really don't want roko playing, especially if either jose or jack go down on an injury, i really don't want to see roko playing significant minutes like last year when we found out solomon is useless
delfino can play PG, SG, and SF positions at a decent level, kind of like a hedo but not as consistent and without the 6'10" frame
Since we had to take Delfino's qualifying offer off the table to grab Hedo we made Carlos an unrestricted free agent. Colangelo mentioned that had to be done in a FAN590 interview. I am guessing that they had to do that in case Carlos accepted the offer and it would of made their offer to Hedo invalid because they didn't have enough freed up capspace. We still retain the bird rights and will continue to do so even if he signs a one year.
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