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bjjs 11-28-2009 03:45 PM

Deja Vu
 
Last year Bosh started the first 10 games of the year completely tearing apart his opponents having MVP talk swirling in Toronto.

Then he started to struggle, and as he struggled, the team was horrible, not even coming close to being able to compete and looking completely outclassed, and as the team struggled, Bosh's enthusiasm disappeared and his energy appeared drained.

Now it looks like the same thing is happening once again. At the exact same time it did last year. Last year we were 8-9, this year 7-10.

How demoralizing is it for Bosh to carry a team with his best efforts to only a .500 record, and as soon as he has some off nights the team is unable to compete.

The weight of completely carrying a team just to much to bare for Bosh.

More horses needed, less passengers hitched to the wagon.

inn0c3nt 11-28-2009 03:49 PM

i don't know if i agree with you.. i mean yea he tore it up for the first few weeks.. but he didn't "take over" games... i don't think he is the reason we won... we won because we were all scoring...

LX 11-28-2009 03:56 PM

And yet this team can operate well without Bosh on the floor. I don't understand why Triano doesn't go with a lineup that is working. This team has become very confusing.

And I don't think Bosh is exactly struggling like he did last season. He's just getting a lot of attention. Sadly - that is not helping anybody else. How that could not present a nice opportunity for other guys is beyond me.

To me the big thing happening at this point is that there is just not the commitment needed for defenses to work. They've become far too easy to pick apart - it's like a shootaround. That puts the whole team on a treadmill with a steep incline. I see not only Bosh, but quite a few guys looking a little stymied. And it all goes back to needing to find those lineups that click on both ends and just go with that.

At what point does this team come to the conclusion that some kind of change is needed?

finstock 11-28-2009 03:58 PM

I don't think his production has began to drop off...He's not scoring at the same torrid pace, but he's still rebounding at an impressive clip. And since it's his contract year, I expect the double/doubles to continue.

TORaptor4Ever 11-28-2009 04:13 PM

Teams are simply doing what they've done for Bosh's entire career.

Key in on him and force the rest of the team to beat you with jumpers.

Some games our shooters are on fire and we'll win (or stay close).

Other games our shooters will struggle and we have no shot.

We're STILL waiting for that 2nd reliable scorer to emerge on this team.... someone who you can count on for great numbers... someone who can carry the team when Bosh doesn't have it going....

... and frankly, I'm pretty disappointed TBH. Because I thought that this was a problem that we addressed with the addition of Hedo. :sigh:

bjjs 11-28-2009 04:15 PM

He shouldn't get all the credit for winning, you're right.

But, he still put up monster numbers and was a uncontainable force inside the first few weeks of this season and last, only to experience a noticeable change in his demeanour after he started to struggle.

Once again, he looks mentally fatigued, and the optimism that he starts each season with, has once again seemed to temporarily shatter amidst these recent struggles.

Their just seems to be a huge weight on his shoulders, and nobody seems to want to help him carry that load.


When Bosh drags his feet, the team completely folds. It's unfair.

Hopefully this just a blip in the season and I'm wrong.

bjjs 11-28-2009 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by •LX• (Post 279679)
And yet this team can operate well without Bosh on the floor. I don't understand why Triano doesn't go with a lineup that is working. This team has become very confusing.

And I don't think Bosh is exactly struggling like he did last season. He's just getting a lot of attention. Sadly - that is not helping anybody else. How that could not present a nice opportunity for other guys is beyond me.

To me the big thing happening at this point is that there is just not the commitment needed for defenses to work. They've become far too easy to pick apart - it's like a shootaround. That puts the whole team on a treadmill with a steep incline. I see not only Bosh, but quite a few guys looking a little stymied. And it all goes back to needing to find those lineups that click on both ends and just go with that.

At what point does this team come to the conclusion that some kind of change is needed?

You're right, and echoes Jack's sentiments last night that this team needs to find an identity.

This team gets so excited, the fanbase, the gm, the coaches, with every addition during the offseason, that's it seems Triano has this need to use them all. To find an identity, he has to realize who his horses are. Who are the guys who are going to get the DNP-Coach's decision when the games matter.

You can't tell right now.

LX 11-28-2009 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TORaptor4Ever (Post 279691)
Teams are simply doing what they've done for Bosh's entire career.

Key in on him and force the rest of the team to beat you with jumpers.

Some games our shooters are on fire and we'll win (or stay close).

Other games our shooters will struggle and we have no shot.

We're STILL waiting for that 2nd reliable scorer to emerge on this team.... someone who you can count on for great numbers... someone who can carry the team when Bosh doesn't have it going....

... and frankly, I'm pretty disappointed TBH. Because I thought that this was a problem that we addressed with the addition of Hedo. :sigh:

I actually think the usual problems with scoring is not so much a problem, and something that should continue to improve. But if they can't stop anybody consistently, then that strength that is still developing goes to waste.

moremilk 11-29-2009 12:58 AM

I think everybody is tired - but the fact is, bosh was playing 38+ minutes last season in november, now he's playing much less. Plus, he had serious family issues which stopped him from focusing on the game. I think he'll be ok this season.

moremilk 11-29-2009 01:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by •LX• (Post 279679)
And I don't think Bosh is exactly struggling like he did last season. He's just getting a lot of attention. Sadly - that is not helping anybody else. How that could not present a nice opportunity for other guys is beyond me.

bosh doesn't have the pass mentality that other big men do (duncan, shaq, even howard this season). WHen he gets the ball in the post, he's almost always looking to attach first, and only pass as the last resort.

If he'd have more of a PG mentality, this team will make a killing on offense, and average 4+ assists like camby or josh smith do this year. Look at everybody's shooting stats - they are career highs or near career highs. They're just not enough shots for hedu and andrea, and usually it's one of the two who gets the short end.

Shifty.py 11-29-2009 06:57 AM

Well it doesn't help his passing ability that other 4 guys stand aroud waiting for him to create. No movement, no cuts.
Putting PF in iso is not the way to go.


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