Defense? I'll say it again...

just4_raps · 11-27-2012, 09:04 PM

Among other factors, James Johnson was one of the biggest keys to our defensive improvement last year.

Look at this squad struggle without a guy that gives his sort of defensive hustle. And he wasn't a huge liability on the offensive end (...McGuire)

We need to find a real glue guy like him again (not named Fields). I'm not saying we need literally need James Johnson, because he's turned sour recently.

I'm saying that we need to find someone to provide what he did last year for us.

jeffb · 11-27-2012, 09:07 PM

How is James Johnson doing this season?

Bankiz · 11-27-2012, 09:10 PM

he is burn in sac town !

but i agree we miss him very much. his D and his energy was off the chart for us last year.
we really a guy whom can do that again.

Tommy C · 11-27-2012, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ahhhnth

Among other factors, James Johnson was one of the biggest keys to our defensive improvement last year.

Look at this squad struggle without a guy that gives his sort of defensive hustle. And he wasn't a huge liability on the offensive end (...McGuire)

We need to find a real glue guy like him again (not named Fields). That is all.

our D sucks.... I just started a thread while watching the 2nd Q.
Remind me what did we get for him when BC traded him?

just4_raps · 11-27-2012, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb

How is James Johnson doing this season?

i have no idea. probably the worst season ever. im not saying we literally need james johnson.

im saying we need someone to bring what he provided last year.

Thug · 11-27-2012, 09:57 PM

What the fuck is wrong with this teams defense..like what the absolute fuck...

Isn't Dwane Casey supposed to be some sort of defensive coach? I don't see ANY defensive improvements from this team on a nightly basis.

BigMan93 · 11-27-2012, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Thug

What the fuck is wrong with this teams defense..like what the absolute fuck...

Isn't Dwane Casey supposed to be some sort of defensive coach? I don't see ANY defensive improvements from this team on a nightly basis.

Can someone tell me how Dwane Casey can actually smile in a press conference do they have some secret scheme up their sleeves or am i not seeing something because i really don't find this funny at all. Yea i guess we won with JV in the draft but still we look even worst. Also love his new gimmick about having fun lets just try to have fun while taking another loss yah.

LET'S GO RAPTORS!!!!! · 11-27-2012, 10:42 PM

Maybe Casey has been hanging out with Triano lately

Metallikid · 11-28-2012, 12:48 AM

We played better defense last year because Bargnani wasn't playing. That's the magic answer, guys.

Also, how Casey and the rest of the team hasn't gotten it through their heads that they need to stop over-helping and giving up the corner three is beyond me.

pzabby · 11-28-2012, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Metallikid

We played better defense last year because Bargnani wasn't playing. That's the magic answer, guys.

Also, how Casey and the rest of the team hasn't gotten it through their heads that they need to stop over-helping and giving up the corner three is beyond me.

absurd

Metallikid · 11-28-2012, 02:41 AM

Please, enlighten me.

Dario · 11-28-2012, 03:05 AM

oooo.

investigation time

**halphbreedballer** · 11-28-2012, 08:00 AM

Seriously Bargnani has to be traded.
This team has been trying to build around his horrible defensive court awareness & Rebounding, in the hopes he gets better.
Well he isn't.

Who can we trade him for?

That play last night where Ed Davis got completely crowned by Patrick Patterson was completely AB fault because once again he stopped guarding his man & Davis rotated to late for help & got postered.
I WOULD BE PISSED!

carp · 11-28-2012, 08:11 AM

Everybody is panicking... it's gross. Relax. Teams need time to gel, to learn and trust the system. The exact same reason why teams that make a huge trade midseason often struggle. The NBA is a game where stability equates to consistency. We're so impatient it's absurd. It's not just Bargnani, others have looked horrible as well. Even your precious ones. This team needs time. One lacklustre blowout game isn't the end of the world..... chalk it up to Hardlinparsanity and regroup. Bargnani needs to come back and back up that last game and others need to step up around him. Ed Davis has really looked good these last two games too.. The rest now have to bring it.

moujik · 11-28-2012, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by jeffb

How is James Johnson doing this season?

Spectacular plays and effort on D, TOs on O just like he did for Toronto in the beginning.
But does come up with LeBron like plays, where he gets the defensive RB and bulldozers all the way to the other basket. Once he learned the team mates he became much less TOprone here. Now he has to do it all over. I'm really feeling for him.
JJ was amazing defending red hot Kobe

I'm glad someone else recognizes JJ's absence. and I would swap him for Bargnani in a sec.

**Claudius** · 11-28-2012, 08:36 AM

We sacrificed defence for offence. It's evident in the starting group and in the bench. The obsession to be a running team has cost this team far more dearly right now then I ever thought it would.

carp · 11-28-2012, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Claudius

We sacrificed defence for offence. It's evident in the starting group and in the bench. The obsession to be a running team has cost this team far more dearly right now then I ever thought it would.

Are we really a running team anymore? The only guy getting runouts is TRoss... and that's been one game.

just4_raps · 11-28-2012, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by moujik

I'm glad someone else recognizes JJ's absence. and I would swap him for Bargnani in a sec.

whoa whoa...i wouldn't go that far. we can get a bit more for Bargs. more like Fields for James Johnson

moujik · 11-28-2012, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by ahhhnth

whoa whoa...i wouldn't go that far. we can get a bit more for Bargs. more like Fields for James Johnson

How would you like JJx3 for Fields?

carp · 11-28-2012, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by ahhhnth

whoa whoa...i wouldn't go that far. we can get a bit more for Bargs. more like Fields for James Johnson

Fields and 3M cash for JJ.... I do it in a heartbeat. If they need Acy to chauffeur him, then by all means, throw him in too.

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11-27-2012, 09:07 PM	#2 (permalink)
jeffb is EL PRESIDENTE Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: YO MAMMA Posts: 57,379 Representing:	How is James Johnson doing this season?

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Bankiz is making funny and strange dark trade in his mind !!! Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,798 Representing:	he is burn in sac town ! but i agree we miss him very much. his D and his energy was off the chart for us last year. we really a guy whom can do that again.

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Thug is in Houstatlantavegas Presidential Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 2,502 Representing:	What the fuck is wrong with this teams defense..like what the absolute fuck... Isn't Dwane Casey supposed to be some sort of defensive coach? I don't see ANY defensive improvements from this team on a nightly basis.

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Metallikid is we may as well be the Queens Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 1,305 Representing:	We played better defense last year because Bargnani wasn't playing. That's the magic answer, guys. Also, how Casey and the rest of the team hasn't gotten it through their heads that they need to stop over-helping and giving up the corner three is beyond me.

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Metallikid is we may as well be the Queens Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 1,305 Representing:	Please, enlighten me.

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Dario is Life as a raptors fan... Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Vancouver BC Canada Posts: 6,003 Representing:	oooo. investigation time

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halphbreedballer is Waiting for 2D's 1st in game wind mill Dunk Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: T.O. Posts: 3,998 Representing:	Seriously Bargnani has to be traded. This team has been trying to build around his horrible defensive court awareness & Rebounding, in the hopes he gets better. Well he isn't. Who can we trade him for? That play last night where Ed Davis got completely crowned by Patrick Patterson was completely AB fault because once again he stopped guarding his man & Davis rotated to late for help & got postered. I WOULD BE PISSED!

11-28-2012, 08:11 AM	#14 (permalink)
carp is the rebirth of thick Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Toronto Posts: 10,652 Representing:	Everybody is panicking... it's gross. Relax. Teams need time to gel, to learn and trust the system. The exact same reason why teams that make a huge trade midseason often struggle. The NBA is a game where stability equates to consistency. We're so impatient it's absurd. It's not just Bargnani, others have looked horrible as well. Even your precious ones. This team needs time. One lacklustre blowout game isn't the end of the world..... chalk it up to Hardlinparsanity and regroup. Bargnani needs to come back and back up that last game and others need to step up around him. Ed Davis has really looked good these last two games too.. The rest now have to bring it.

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Claudius is contemplating The Killing Joke Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Burkina Faso, Disputed Zone Posts: 9,595 Representing:	We sacrificed defence for offence. It's evident in the starting group and in the bench. The obsession to be a running team has cost this team far more dearly right now then I ever thought it would.