David West as an UFA target in the offseason?

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View Poll Results: Should the Raptors pursue David West in the offseason?
Yes,he has alot of qualities the Raptors need 11 30.56%
No,much rather see them target a younger player like Millsap whether trade or free agency 12 33.33%
They're better off with Bargnani than West 1 2.78%
He won't come to Toronto. He'll accept less more money to play for a title contender 12 33.33%
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Old 03-05-2013, 12:41 PM   #1 (permalink)
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David West is an upcoming unrestricted free agent and is seriously being overlooked by our fanbase as a PF option. He's a solid veteran who could provide the low post scoring,toughness and leadership the Raptors desperately need. I know he'll be 33 years old when the 2013-14 seasons begins but I could see him becoming to this team what Antonio Davis and Charles Oakley had been in the past.

Some people were willing to accept Carlos Boozer in a trade for Andrea Bargnani when Boozer is just a year younger than West. Also,Carlos doesn't have better numbers than West or as great of an impact on his team,so age shouldn't be the determining factor with signing David. With emerging young talent at the Power Forward and Center spots in Toronto (Valanciunas,Johnson),he wouldn't need to log many minutes either.

I'm not sure if Indiana intends to resign him but they already have big money tied up to Granger and Hibbert plus will need to save cap space for George and possibly Stephenson and Hill as well so West may be available. I'm not sure how much West will go for but I believe his last deal was 2 years/20 Million. If its possible to sign him(after clearing cap space somehow) I wouldn't mind seeing the Raptors GM mirroring an offer around that many years and money,with a player option for a third perhaps. Maybe something like 3 years/24 million works.

Do you think the Raptors should pursue David West if targeting a younger Power Forward like Paul Millsap doesn't workout?
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For the 100th million time, we're going to have barely if any cap space, were not going out and signing and real noteworthy FAs. I'm seriously starting to wonder if people understand how a cap system works.
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He'd obviously be a great fit here, but like the poster above mentioned, there's no way we can get him with where we are cap wise.
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For the 100th million time, we're going to have barely if any cap space, were not going out and signing and real noteworthy FAs. I'm seriously starting to wonder if people understand how a cap system works.
I know last night was a tough loss but take it easy,I'm only raising the discussion to see if he would be a good fit or not in people's opinion. I also noted in brackets "after clearing cap space some how" so i understand they don't have alot of room at the moment.

What you want me to do,make another thread about Bargnani!?!?
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Pretty much what others have said. No chance. Besides.... he's become Indy's leader now and arguably their best player. There's no way they'd let him walk.

Shame though because he's EXACTLY the kind of player our team needs to take that next step.
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He'd obviously be a great fit here, but like the poster above mentioned, there's no way we can get him with where we are cap wise.
could a sign and trade work? Bargnani wouldn't be bad in Indiana come to think of it,as an in and out big alongside Hibbert. They would suffer defensively though.
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For the 100th million time, we're going to have barely if any cap space, were not going out and signing and real noteworthy FAs. I'm seriously starting to wonder if people understand how a cap system works.
Um ...ya.... you should edit that. The salary cap is increasing this year and likely drastically by a few guesses. And with Bargs and Klieza gone we celar off 15 million. Then there is a luxury tax thing where we can exceed teh cap and spend into the tax (which MLSE has said they would do). And since we are not repeat tax payers the tax doesn't affect us terribly as it could. And even if the nba doesn't increase revenue and it doesn't increase, its still fun to disucss.

2013-2014 NBA Salary Cap/Luxury Tax

West, Hickson and if Blatche is a UFA all over it.
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could a sign and trade work? Bargnani wouldn't be bad in Indiana come to think of it,as an in and out big alongside Hibbert. They would suffer defensively though.
People need to get it out of their heads that we'll even have a remote shot of trading Bargnani for anything of value, especially a star player like West. And that's not just because of the negative value Bargs has for being a piece of shit out on the court, but moreso because of the new CBA and him having 2 years left on his deal.
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Um ...ya.... you should edit that. The salary cap is increasing this year and likely drastically by a few guesses. And with Bargs and Klieza gone we celar off 15 million. Then there is a luxury tax thing where we can exceed teh cap and spend into the tax (which MLSE has said they would do). And since we are not repeat tax payers the tax doesn't affect us terribly as it could. And even if the nba doesn't increase revenue and it doesn't increase, its still fun to disucss.

2013-2014 NBA Salary Cap/Luxury Tax

West, Hickson and if Blatche is a UFA all over it.
Exceptions aside, You can only spend into the cap to sign your own players, so Mlse saying they will pay the tax is of no help in acquiring a guy like west.
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Exceptions aside, You can only spend into the cap to sign your own players, so Mlse saying they will pay the tax is of no help in acquiring a guy like west.
But before that would not be "exemptions aside" when we had to fill out our roster. We would not pay the tax at all by even the mid level amount. Takes time to become a tax paying team.

West or any player can be signed if we can move Bargs for a new set of gym socks, klieza and a 2nd for nothing and if the cap increases.
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For the 100th million time, we're going to have barely if any cap space, were not going out and signing and real noteworthy FAs. I'm seriously starting to wonder if people understand how a cap system works.
Disagree, we will have over 3mil of capspace, plus the option of not picking up Lucas. Lets just say we amnesty Bargs, that would free up 11mil in cap.
So if I'm not mistaking we would have 13-15mil to spend in the FA.
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Maybe DanH can shed some light as to how we can shed enough salary(realistically) to be able to go after Millsap or West.
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Disagree, we will have over 3mil of capspace, plus the option of not picking up Lucas. Lets just say we amnesty Bargs, that would free up 11mil in cap.
So if I'm not mistaking we would have 13-15mil to spend in the FA.
The amnesty thing is confusing for me. I'm hearing that if we use it on Bargs it doesn't necessarily free up much cap space if any? Any clarification on that?
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But before that would not be "exemptions aside" when we had to fill out our roster. We would not pay the tax at all by even the mid level amount. Takes time to become a tax paying team.

West or any player can be signed if we can move Bargs for a new set of gym socks, klieza and a 2nd for nothing and if the cap increases.
those are 2 big ifs, but regardless, what relevance does this have:

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Then there is a luxury tax thing where we can exceed teh cap and spend into the tax (which MLSE has said they would do).
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West is a BEAST. He'll get a big contract.
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The amnesty thing is confusing for me. I'm hearing that if we use it on Bargs it doesn't necessarily free up much cap space if any? Any clarification on that?
amnesty clears the guy's salary from your cap hit (although you still have to pay it). so if you are right at the cap and you clear $10 mil, you are then $10 mil under the cap. but if you are already $5 mil over, and you then clear $10, you end up only $5 mil under.

to see pretty much exactly where our cap hit will be next year, read danh's post:

http://www.raptorsforum.com/f/f5/rap...tml#post761186

edit - assuming the options on kleiza (player) and lucas (team) are picked up, we have $73 mil committed next year. getting rid of Bargs and kleiza with no returning contract would free up about $15 mil, bringing us down to about $58 mil. the cap this year was $58 mil (the tax @ $70 mil).

people are saying that the cap level will go up next year. if it doesn't we won't have any substantive cap space after this proposed bargs/kleiza bail. if it does, we'd have about as much cap space as the increase was. so for us to have a chance at west, assuming he goes for approx $10 mil, the cap would have to go up by $10 mil also.

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there is no conceivable way we could get the cap space to sign West, short of a massive increase in the cap level. At around 58 million, and assuming a starting salary of around 12, we'd need to drop to below 45, maybe even lower considering all the holds for unfilled spaces. And Gay/Demar/Lowry/Amir/JV/Ross/Fields are together well over the limit. I think even if we somehow find a way to drop fields, we'd still not have enough cap space, and that's assuming we can drop all the other players without any cap hit which is impossible in its own right.
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amnesty clears the guy's salary from your cap hit (although you still have to pay it). so if you are right at the cap and you clear $10 mil, you are then $10 mil under the cap. but if you are already $5 mil over, and you then clear $10, you end up only $5 mil under.

to see pretty much exactly where our cap hit will be next year, read danh's post:

http://www.raptorsforum.com/f/f5/rap...tml#post761186
Thanks Trane,I have a better understanding now. It will be a huge challenge but If some moves are made at the draft,plus amnesty options,It could be possible to target exactly who they want. Colangelo is gonna have to make like Morey and Presti and get really creative(or whoever our GM is come season's end).
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there is no conceivable way we could get the cap space to sign West, short of a massive increase in the cap level. At around 58 million, and assuming a starting salary of around 12, we'd need to drop to below 45, maybe even lower considering all the holds for unfilled spaces. And Gay/Demar/Lowry/Amir/JV/Ross/Fields are together well over the limit. I think even if we somehow find a way to drop fields, we'd still not have enough cap space, and that's assuming we can drop all the other players without any cap hit which is impossible in its own right.
I've read that the cap will go up approximately 10mil to just under 70mil and the tax would then be 80mil.
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