D'Antoni can't talk to Toronto
Old 05-07-2008, 11:53 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Huh ... what's up with that? I guess still some tension between Sarver and BC.

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Two league sources have confirmed that when the Suns agreed to give D'Antoni permission to talk to other clubs, the Bulls and the Knicks in particular, there was one condition: they would not grant permission to D'Antoni to talk with the Raptors.

The suggestion was that the Toronto ban was initiated by the Suns and reflective of the desire of Suns owner Robert Sarver to not be seen to doing any favours for current Raptors president and former Suns general manager Bryan Colangelo. There is no indication the Raptors were seeking permission to talk with Phoenix.
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Old 05-07-2008, 11:58 AM   #2 (permalink)
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good. don't need him.
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Old 05-07-2008, 12:14 PM   #3 (permalink)
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good. don't need him.
Yeah, I don't really care either fancy. I didn't realize there still was animosity between the two.
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Old 05-07-2008, 12:46 PM   #4 (permalink)
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D'antoni would be horrible here.
so this is a blessing, really.
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Old 05-09-2008, 03:01 PM   #5 (permalink)
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If he doesn't want to coach "D" then he's not right for the team.
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Old 05-09-2008, 03:26 PM   #6 (permalink)
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This team isn't built to play D. This system was brought in to run-and-gun a la Phoenix.
D'Antoni would have loved to coach here because there are similar pieces(not all of them obviously..) here as there was in Phoenix.
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This team isn't built to play D. This system was brought in to run-and-gun a la Phoenix.
D'Antoni would have loved to coach here because there are similar pieces(not all of them obviously..) here as there was in Phoenix.
I'm afraid I can't agree with that. We have shooters and that's about it. The reason that run and gun works for team's like Phoenix and Denver is they are very quick and athletic teams that have players that can do some very important things very well, namely shoot, pass, think, rebound and block shots. The run and gun offence doesn't get initiated if you don't secure the rebound, know where to throw the ball and have someone smart enough to be in the place their supposed to be to receive it... then theres' finishing. Both those teams as examples have finishers...not just 3 point shooters but guys that get to the rim and get the easy baskets. Then throw in a player like the Matrix or Diaw that could be put on any of the opposing team's star players at any position defensively and you have a lot of versatility.

We have shooters and a couple of athletic guys but we dont' have the rebounding, smarts, slashing/easy scoring finishers that those teams have so we struggle with that offensive style.

Our smart guys(Rasho and Kapono) aren't athletic... our athletic guys(Graham and Moon) aren't smart... and noone rebounds particularly well or defends multiple positions.

I think that we would need several more pieces/upgrades to become a team D'Antoni would love to coach(assuming he wants to win).
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Old 05-13-2008, 05:47 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Can someone please explain to me why there is still animosity between BC and the Suns, and on what terms did BC leave the Suns organization?
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Old 05-13-2008, 10:50 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Can someone please explain to me why there is still animosity between BC and the Suns, and on what terms did BC leave the Suns organization?
Here's your answer...

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He spent 17 years with the Suns, the past 11 as general manager — a job first held by his father, Jerry Colangelo, when the team was founded in 1968. Jerry Colangelo sold the club to a group led by Sarver but will remain chairman and CEO until the sale is complete after the 2006-07 season.

Bryan Colangelo's relationship with Sarver soured amid reports that the two men had been unable to come to terms on an extension of Colangelo's contract. The Suns permitted the Raptors to begin discussions with Colangelo more than a week ago, Peddie said.

Sarver said Colangelo had to go through an "adjustment" in dealing with a new boss who wasn't his father.

"I wouldn't say it was difficult. We still get along," Sarver told The Associated Press in a phone interview Monday night, adding that Colangelo invited him to the upcoming Suns-Raptors game in Toronto.
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Old 05-13-2008, 10:52 AM   #10 (permalink)
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I'm afraid I can't agree with that. We have shooters and that's about it. The reason that run and gun works for team's like Phoenix and Denver is they are very quick and athletic teams that have players that can do some very important things very well, namely shoot, pass, think, rebound and block shots. The run and gun offence doesn't get initiated if you don't secure the rebound, know where to throw the ball and have someone smart enough to be in the place their supposed to be to receive it... then theres' finishing. Both those teams as examples have finishers...not just 3 point shooters but guys that get to the rim and get the easy baskets. Then throw in a player like the Matrix or Diaw that could be put on any of the opposing team's star players at any position defensively and you have a lot of versatility.

We have shooters and a couple of athletic guys but we dont' have the rebounding, smarts, slashing/easy scoring finishers that those teams have so we struggle with that offensive style.

Our smart guys(Rasho and Kapono) aren't athletic... our athletic guys(Graham and Moon) aren't smart... and noone rebounds particularly well or defends multiple positions.

I think that we would need several more pieces/upgrades to become a team D'Antoni would love to coach(assuming he wants to win).
Oh, I wasn't asking you to agree with my statements SWAN. As you'll notice, I said that Toronto has some pieces that Phoenix has - shooters, good guard play, athletic scoring bigman. I never said that our team and the Suns were similar to a T.
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Old 05-13-2008, 11:24 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Huh ... interesting. According to the Chicago Sun-Times, BC apparently wanted to talk with D'Antoni.

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The Suns said no last week when the Toronto Raptors, whose president Bryan Colangelo is the former GM of the Suns, asked to speak with Mike D'Antoni. Phoenix did grant permission for Paxson and New York Knicks president Donnie Walsh to meet with D'Antoni, who agreed Saturday to take the Knicks job.
Maybe BC isn't sold on Sam after all and right now given the limited choices for replacements has decided to stick with Sam for the meantime.

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Old 05-13-2008, 02:30 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Good...our team needs defense...but if dantoni would bring diaw and barbosa with him i wouldnt mind
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Old 05-13-2008, 02:32 PM   #13 (permalink)
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never mind he signed with knicks just under 30 mins ago
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Old 05-13-2008, 03:14 PM   #14 (permalink)
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But yeah, BC is definitely looking at possibly replacing Smitch. Good.
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Old 05-13-2008, 03:44 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Doug Smith says the account from Chicago Sun Times is completely wrong. Good.
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Old 05-13-2008, 03:56 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Doug Smith says the account from Chicago Sun Times is completely wrong. Good.
Yeah, writers from Chicago have always been questionable with their "sources". Kind of reminds of the old ESPN poster from their message board back in 2000 named "Reliable_Sources" who had tons of Raptor insider sources and was never right once.
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Old 05-14-2008, 10:10 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Doug Smith says the account from Chicago Sun Times is completely wrong. Good.
Yup, you were right LX. Michael Grange confirms it this morning in his blog too.

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Just a quick note: Raptors president Bryan Colangelo would would like to make clear that he did not seek permission to speak with newly-minted Knicks coach Mike D'Antoni, contrary a report out of Chicago this morning. "There is no accuracy to that whatsoever,' he said. "I don't know where that came from."
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Old 05-14-2008, 12:58 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Oh yeah, that story out of Chicago yesterday about the Suns denying Toronto permission to talk to Mike D’Antoni?

Never happened. Untrue. Not factual at all.

What happened, according to People Who’d Know in Toronto and Phoenix was that Suns owner Robert Sarver explicitly told D’Antoni that he could not talk to the Raptors when he was out searching for a new coaching gig in that pre-fired time in Phoenix.

It wasn’t that the Raptors asked and were denied.

This is the same Sarver, I’m told, who has an e-mail sent before every Raptor-Suns game reminding Phoenix broadcasters they are not allowed to mention, interview or make reference to Bryan Colangelo.

What a tool.
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