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Heading into the game, the candidates seemed obvious.
If the Raptors were somehow going to overcome the loss of Chris Bosh and his 24 points and 12 rebounds a night at this pivotal juncture in the season, it was going to be one of Andrea Bargnani or Hedo Turkoglu who would have to rise to the occasion.
As usual with this team, the obvious was dead wrong.
What little chance the Raptors did have Wednesday night came from Sonny Weems, who came out with the kind of determination one would expect from a team that was missing its franchise piece.
The loss, by itself, is hardly a surprise. The Celtics are at full strength. The Raps are minus their best player. The
115-104 final was by no means an embarrassment.
Weems stepping up his game was a surprise. Sadly, Bargnani and Turkoglu failing to do so was not.
Turkoglu, in the seven minutes he had to show anything before he headed to the hospital with a bruised nose — at least the Raptors are hoping it was no more than that — had three steals to show for his night but little else.
It’s tough to pile on a guy who spent the night in hospital, but the truth of the matter is Turkoglu’s performance in the early going Wednesday was on par with what he has done for most of the year.
Would it have been any better had he stayed in the game? Who can really say?



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One Day at a Time was the name of a TV show. It has become the Raptors’ motto for whatever remains of this season.
With Chris Bosh laid up in a Cleveland hospital for one more night, his surgically repaired nose packed to ensure a relatively straight schnozz when it heals, his teammates were left to ponder at least the next few games without him.
And make no mistake, the next few games is an optimistic estimate. No one was willing to brave a guess as to how long it might be, if ever, that Bosh is back playing with his teammates.
“Broken face is a tough one to gauge,” point guard Jarrett Jack said. “The only thing we are concerned about is him getting healthy. We’re people at the end of the day. As bad as you may want someone in uniform, their health has to be the No. 1 thing.
“I think it would be greedy of any of us to be thinking ‘Is he going to play tomorrow?,’ rather than being concerned about him as a person. Just make sure he is fine and get back to regular normal stuff.”
Jack was the third Raptor — head coach Jay Triano and Jose Calderon were the first two — to utter that ‘One day at a time’ mantra.
“Just take it day by day,” Jack said. “You never know. He might show up tomorrow and say he’s ready to go with a mask and be ready to play.”


Bosh's break a damn shame

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The face of the Raptors franchise is broken. And maybe soon, the face will be gone.
No one will come out and say it absolutely, but it appears obvious that Chris Bosh is done for the rest of the regular season.
Maybe done completely as a Raptor.
The inadvertent collision with the Cavaliers’ Antawn Jamison’s elbow broke Bosh’s face and who knows yet how badly it will injure the Raptors as they meander their way toward the National Basketball Association playoffs.
This is another horrible break for a team that can’t seem to shoot straight. Before Tuesday night’s game in Cleveland, Bosh was the face of the franchise: Now he’s an unfortunate piece of almost inappropriate symbolism.
The future, whatever it holds, is almost certain without Bosh. That appears to be the sentiment around the NBA. It just wasn’t supposed to happen. And this way.





Raptors dismay: Bosh done, Turkoglu hurt, loss to Celtics


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Jarrett Jack had to come out of the game in the final minute with a sore ankle of his own and Amir Johnson was hobbling around on a sore leg after Boston's Glen Davis rolled up on him in the fourth quarter.
But against that backdrop, the Raptors acquitted themselves well against the Celtics, even if their lead over Chicago in the race for eighth in the East shrank to half a game.
They played hard and with purpose and only a few breakdowns — like letting sharpshooters Michael Finley and Ray Allen carve them up in the opening four minutes of the fourth quarter — kept them from pulling a monumental upset.
“I thought they played their asses off,” said coach Jay Triano after Sonny Weems set a career high with 21 points and Andrea Bargnani, Jack and Antoine Wright all added 17.
“I thought they played as hard as they could. You look at the young guys who had to step up and play minutes. ... I thought they really battled.
“They didn't back down, they fought,” Triano added.









Raptors left hanging without Bosh


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“I thought they played their asses off,” Triano said afterward, his team matching the Celtics in most categories except free-throw attempts, where Boston had a 33-12 edge. “Did they play really well and make shots? No. But they really battled.”
The fight came from somewhat surprising places, as second-year guard Sonny Weems helped the Raptors to a 54-52 lead at the half by scoring 17 of his career-high 21 points in the first 24 minutes, while rookie swing man DeMar DeRozan scored all 14 of his points in the second half, 12 in the fourth quarter, including a spectacular baseline dunk that pulled Toronto within six points with five minutes to play. The Celtics had four starters with between 18 and 21 points.
The Raptors' Hedo Turkoglu was taken to Mount Sinai Hospital for a CT scan after being hit in the face by the Celtics' Tony Allen's head during a fight for a loose ball midway through the first quarter. There were no results available after the game, though Turkoglu returned to the ACC. Those remaining healthy will have to raise their games if they want their season to last long enough for Bosh to return.
It will be up to them to win at least two of their last four games – particularly Sunday's match against Chicago at the ACC – if they want to extend their season. And maybe then Bosh will join them.



Bosh could miss rest of the season


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Toronto Raptors forward Chris Bosh underwent successful surgery in Cleveland today to repair a displaced nasal fracture and will almost certainly be out of action for the remainder of the regular season, which wraps up April 14th, though he could be back in time for the post-season if the Raptors qualify.
The operation Wednesday was to return the broken bone to it’s normal anatomical position – a procedure knows as an enclosed reduction, said Raptors team medical director Dr. Paul Marks. It required a small incision though not the use of plates and screws which would have meant a much more invasive surgery and kept him out for as long as six weeks.
Dr. Marks said Bosh would be reassessed in a week to 10 days and at that time might be a candidate to play in the post-season, albeit with a protective mask in place. Bosh also had a hairline fracture to his maxilla bone on the right side of his face but it was non-displaced and didn’t require surgery and wasn’t considered a factor that would affect the time table of his return.
“No one has a crystal ball, but as you look at the time frames as the calendar barrels down upon us we’re looking at those types of time frames over the next seven-to-10 days, so you can surmise from that,” said Dr. Marks, when asked if Bosh’s regular season was over.






Turkoglu, Raptors dealt another painful blow


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The good news was that Turkoglu was seen walking around the arena gin and tonic in hand after the game, although a prognosis was immediately known.
But that was not all. Amir Johnson suffered a knee injury in the fourth quarter after Boston's formidable Glen Davis rolled into him. He left the game for a moment, but returned. Jarrett Jack also got hurt, spraining his left ankle. He is day-to-day.
And the basketball gods were not the only ones conspiring against the Raptors, at least in the team's view. The Celtics went to the free-throw line 33 times to Toronto's 12.
"How much money do you have?" coach Jay Triano said when asked to comment on the disparity, referring to a potential fine he might incur should he criticize the officials.
"I thought we shot our 12 extremely well, making all 12 of them, so much so that I wish we shot more."
And then were the fans, who booed loudly after Jose Calderon shot an air-ball in the second quarter. Calderon gave a mock applause after that.
"I feel really hurt when I was out there and we missed a couple shots and some of the fans booed us," Calderon said. "I took it a little personally."
Injured faces. Injured ankles. Injured egos. Everything is hurting.


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Finley spurs Celtics to victory


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A prolonged massage session with trainer Ed Lacerte alleviated the pain, and perhaps Lacerte even turned Finley’s mental clock back a few years. Looking like the Michael Finley who helped the Spurs to the 2007 NBA title, he scored 14 second-half points, including four 3-pointers, as the Celtics pulled away for a 115-104 victory at Air Canada Centre.

Finley buried consecutive 3-pointers to give the Celtics a 98-85 lead with 6:53 left, then added another from beyond the arc to finally extinguish the pesky Raptors, who were playing without All-Star forward Chris Bosh, who will miss the remainder of the regular season because of a displaced nasal fracture.

The Raptors last night lost Hedo Turkoglu in the first quarter after he took a shot to the nose from Tony Allen. Still, the Raptors pushed the Celtics deep into the fourth quarter, using youngsters such as Sonny Weems and DeMar DeRozan to score on Boston’s inconsistent defense.

Weems scored 17 of his career-high 21 points in the first half, and DeRozan scored all 14 of his points in the second half, forcing the Celtics to play a strong fourth quarter. Finley stepped up with vintage shooting, and Ray Allen scored 8 straight points down the stretch to give Boston a significant win.




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Does anyone ever think that it might actually be a blessing that Bosh might exit on this note?

At least this way we can say "Well if the injury didn't happen we would have made the playoffs, maybe the 7th seed, and then who knows?!"

Otherwise, I'm thinking we are looking at a first round sweep and that would be a harder way to see him leave I think.
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Does anyone ever think that it might actually be a blessing that Bosh might exit on this note?

At least this way we can say "Well if the injury didn't happen we would have made the playoffs, maybe the 7th seed, and then who knows?!"

Otherwise, I'm thinking we are looking at a first round sweep and that would be a harder way to see him leave I think.
with or without Bosh I really dont' wanna see the Raptors in the playoffs. I don't think I could bare to watch them get manhandled in the playoffs. Just my take although I think its a terrible one to have

I'd rather take the 3% chance to grab Turner or Wall than make the playoffs LOL
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with or without Bosh I really dont' wanna see the Raptors in the playoffs. I don't think I could bare to watch them get manhandled in the playoffs. Just my take although I think its a terrible one to have

I'd rather take the 3% chance to grab Turner or Wall than make the playoffs LOL
But aren't playoff games great experience for young players?
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But aren't playoff games great experience for young players?
I think that is a load of horse shit. It's good if you are going in for a battle and need to bring your A-game.

But if you are going in for a slaughter, it can kill your confidence.
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But aren't playoff games great experience for young players?
Personally I think the pros of not making the playoffs for the Raptors are greater than the cons. You can think of a million reasons on what I say is wrong and twisted but I really think this team is a write off.
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I think that is a load of horse shit. It's good if you are going in for a battle and need to bring your A-game.

But if you are going in for a slaughter, it can kill your confidence.
I don't agree with you. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger If big loses kill your confidence you won't be a good player. If we don't play in playoffs, next year when we enter playoffs, our young players would make some mistakes and at that time if we have good team we would regret not playing playoffs this year.
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Also, playoffs are good. Sure we are gonna get murked but who cares
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I don't agree with you. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger If big loses kill your confidence you won't be a good player. If we don't play in playoffs, next year when we enter playoffs, our young players would make some mistakes and at that time if we have good team we would regret not playing playoffs this year.
Just depends on your school of thought really.

I just don't think that "experience gain" is worth losing a pick over.
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after Raps get swept in the playoffs you guys will start threads saying "we should have just kept our pick" or "worst playoffs ever".
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after Raps get swept in the playoffs you guys will start threads saying "we should have just kept our pick" or "worst playoffs ever".
If you said this to me, not me. Playoffs are exciting and if we don't make playoffs why we played lots of game? For picks? This is for losers
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Just depends on your school of thought really.

I just don't think that "experience gain" is worth losing a pick over.
Well, the Raps are going to lose a pick at some point, anyway. Toronto still owes Miami a pick from the O'Neal for Marion trade. If we don't make the playoffs, our pick is likely going to be 12th overall. I'd rather just give Miami the pick now, rather than prolonging it.

And regarding the playoff experience, I respectfully disagree. Even if the Raps get hammered, the young players will still get the chance to feel the playoff atmosphere. Sure, in the short term it might kill a player's confidence. Depending on the individual, that is certainly possible. However, I think it will be beneficial for the future. You can't simulate that experience. I've heard a number of veterans say that a player has to get some minutes during the playoffs in order to truly understand the change in defensive intensity, style of play (fewer fouls and more contact) ....etc...
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Well, the Raps are going to lose a pick at some point, anyway. Toronto still owes Miami a pick from the O'Neal for Marion trade. If we don't make the playoffs, our pick is likely going to be 12th overall. I'd rather just give Miami the pick now, rather than prolonging it.

And regarding the playoff experience, I respectfully disagree. Even if the Raps get hammered, the young players will still get the chance to feel the playoff atmosphere. Sure, in the short term it might kill a player's confidence. Depending on the individual, that is certainly possible. However, I think it will be beneficial for the future. You can't simulate that experience. I've heard a number of veterans say that a player has to get some minutes during the playoffs in order to truly understand the change in defensive intensity, style of play (fewer fouls and more contact) ....etc...
I agree.

Give Miami the pick this year, our young guys get blasted and are hungry to get back and redeem themselves, but unfortuantely we don't make it next year and we suck and draft hometown hero Joseph.
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I agree.

Give Miami the pick this year, our young guys get blasted and are hungry to get back and redeem themselves, but unfortuantely we don't make it next year and we suck and draft hometown hero Joseph.
I would HOPE that the pick this year is worth the least. That we will manage to turn this business around so by the time Miami gets the pick it will be of less value.

12 isn't a bad pick. I'd love to slap them with a 20 or so.

If we are happy to give the pick now, it admits we are defeated in the short term.
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I would HOPE that the pick this year is worth the least. That we will manage to turn this business around so by the time Miami gets the pick it will be of less value.

12 isn't a bad pick. I'd love to slap them with a 20 or so.

If we are happy to give the pick now, it admits we are defeated in the short term.
In my opinion, I think not wanting to make the playoffs admits we are defeated in the short term. It's like saying we don't care about getting our young players experience, because we don't think it will be of use to them anytime soon. I don't think that's a healthy mentality. People get upset about this team not being tough and now some of you want them to fold at the end of the year.

Just for the sake of clarity, 12th is the drafting spot the Raps would get if they miss the playoffs. Memphis and Houston would still have better records, so it's probably 12, unless we get lucky enough to move up. Yeah, that might get a decent player. When it comes to picks outside the top 10, the odds of getting something good are, to a significant degree, dependent upon what other teams do ahead of us.

If we make the playoffs, Miami gets our pick at the 15th spot. In order for us to give Miami a 20 range pick in the future, the Raps would have to finish around 4th or 5th in the conference, depending on how strong the West is. Yes, I think that could happen between now and 2015. However, I don't think the Raps will finish that high during the next year that they make the playoffs; whenever that happens. That's what you need to keep in mind. The next time the Raps make the playoffs, Miami gets the pick (unless Toronto never makes it before 2015, then it is unprotected). I think the Raps next playoff appearance will be this year (in a couple weeks) or sometime in the next 2 years after. It won't be as a 4 or 5 seed. Teams usually move up in steps. Unless they make 2 huge trades like the 07-08 Celtics, the Raps likely aren't leap frogging from out of the playoffs to 4th or 5th. We thought it would happen this year...it didn't.

With all of that in mind, I'm okay with giving Miami the 15th pick this year, rather than waiting.
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I wouldn't be too excited over a 12th overall...
this off-season will be pretty interesting though...
I wonder what we'll get for Bosh
I'd be happy getting back someone like Andrew Bynum or a top 5 lottery pick
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I wouldn't be too excited over a 12th overall...
this off-season will be pretty interesting though...
I wonder what we'll get for Bosh
I'd be happy getting back someone like Andrew Bynum or a top 5 lottery pick
Top 5 lottery pick won't happen because won't leave here to go to a bad team.
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