D. Smith: Raptors draft list
Old 06-21-2010, 10:06 AM   #1 (permalink)
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It would appear their list, in no order because no one’s whispering who they like best at the moment, includes guards Eric Bledsoe, Xavier Henry and Avery Bradley, wings Paul George and Gordon Hayward and bigs Patrick Patterson and Epke Udoh. That’s a lot of choice, which is good because, as we all know, the Raptors are in far more reaction mode than action mode in this draft.

So much of what they do at No. 13 will be predicated on what happens with picks seven through 12 that to try and handicap this thing really is an exercise in futility.

But we’ve got three days to handicap, I guess, and since I’m hearing they’re trying to get together a workout in Toronto tomorrow – and Jim Kelly told us last week if they did get one it’d most likely be for guys coming back a second time – maybe we’ll get a bit more of a hint when we find out who lands here tonight.
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Old 06-21-2010, 10:16 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Hopefully Udoh drops to the Raptors. The biggest threat is Indiana and Detroit. Udoh had a second workout in Indiana last Friday. However, if Greg Monroe drops to 10, hopefully the Pacers re-unit Monroe with fellow Georgetown teammate Hibbert.
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I'd really like to see Udoh drop.

Hayward has bust written all over him, underwhelming athleticism without a fantastic jumpshot to make up for it.

The rest are a wash for me.
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I want no part of Udoh - kid is 23 years old - and we know that big men take time to adjust to the NBA game.
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I want no part of Udoh - kid is 23 years old - and we know that big men take time to adjust to the NBA game.
What's not to like about the guy. He plays hard all the time, he can put the ball on the floor, shoot the jump shot, plays good defense, and block shots. Just like Tyreke Evans last year, he had great workouts and did not shy away from the competition. The guy is NBA-ready.
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What's not to like about the guy. He plays hard all the time, he can put the ball on the floor, shoot the jump shot, plays good defense, and block shots. Just like Tyreke Evans last year, he had great workouts and did not shy away from the competition. The guy is NBA-ready.
There's a difference. Evans is a guard. He was also only 19 years old. ANd was made the focal point of the Kings' team.

Udoh is just like any other workout warrior we've seen in the past - Joe Alexander, David Noel, Joey Graham.

At best, Udoh is the first or second big off the bench. But if you think he's NBA ready, you're in for a big shock.
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Eric Bledsoe, Xavier Henry,Avery Bradley,Paul George and Gordon Hayward


If the Raptors keep the pick...and stay at 13th...one of these guys will be raptor...
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There's a difference. Evans is a guard. He was also only 19 years old. ANd was made the focal point of the Kings' team.

Udoh is just like any other workout warrior we've seen in the past - Joe Alexander, David Noel, Joey Graham.

At best, Udoh is the first or second big off the bench. But if you think he's NBA ready, you're in for a big shock.
Joe Alexander, David Noel, Joey Graham were combine champions. In the NBA combine, these players jumped the highest, and posted high scores in speed, strength and agility. They are great atheletes but NBA players.

Udoh had great workouts with NBA teams with 3 on 3 drills. Unlike most of the big man in the draft, Udoh can put the ball on the floor and create offense for himself and other players. He played against anybody unlike Derozan last year in the team workouts, and its no suprise he has pushed his value up the draft, and you see others players he has played against (Whiteside, Orton, Patterson) slide.
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I want no part of Udoh - kid is 23 years old - and we know that big men take time to adjust to the NBA game.
i compltely agree, i don't want udoh. I'm not impressed with his upside at all.


And if they take Hayward when one of Henry, George, Bradley, or Patterson is on the board it will be hard to not bash Colangelo daily. I was watching raps today and some old white guy high up on the raps management was just drooling over Hayward, more so then any player. I'm sure Mauriceo was too when he found out Hayward’s grandparents were European immigrants.
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I don't want any of these to be a Raptor... Well maybe Henry.
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Well, if it's for someone who lands here tonight, it won't be Bradley. Kid sprained his ankle badly. ANd for someone going that early, you're probably looking at Patterson.
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Old 06-21-2010, 11:51 AM   #12 (permalink)
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This is probably their draft board i'm guessing.

1)Xavier Henry- The BPA if he falls. Can spread the floor and has a lot of potential. Good defender, is young but can make an immediate impact.
2)Avery Bradley-Defense and potential. Interchangeable between Bledsoe and Bradley.
4)Ekpe Udoh-This is a good pick if you are in a win now type of scenario. However Raptors are probably looking for more growth in the future and will be in a somewhat rebuild mode next season.
5) Patrick Patterson- If all the good guys are gone by our pick we will probably end up taking him.
6)Paul George- Good player but has skillsets similar to Demar. Doesn't really have that first step that the great 2 guards have in the NBA. Played for a small team.
7)Gordon Hawyard- limited upside. Questionable Defense. Too slow to guard the 3 but to small to guard the 4.
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Old 06-21-2010, 11:57 AM   #13 (permalink)
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I really don't know if we should be so crazy about taking a point guard this draft cuz next year there will be a huge, much better point guard class.
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This is probably their draft board i'm guessing.

1)Xavier Henry- The BPA if he falls. Can spread the floor and has a lot of potential. Good defender, is young but can make an immediate impact.
2)Avery Bradley-Defense and potential. Interchangeable between Bledsoe and Bradley.
4)Ekpe Udoh-This is a good pick if you are in a win now type of scenario. However Raptors are probably looking for more growth in the future and will be in a somewhat rebuild mode next season.
5) Patrick Patterson- If all the good guys are gone by our pick we will probably end up taking him.
6)Paul George- Good player but has skillsets similar to Demar. Doesn't really have that first step that the great 2 guards have in the NBA. Played for a small team.
7)Gordon Hawyard- limited upside. Questionable Defense. Too slow to guard the 3 but to small to guard the 4.
Wow, I'm wondering if you're watching the same guys most of us are.
Henry's lazy as shit when it comes to defense. He's also a tad slow. Big men were completing lane agility drills faster than him. He's a shooter, that's it.
Patterson is more of a polished product than Udoh. He's the guy you'd choose if you were in a win-mode scenario. He'll fight for everything and will give you every last ounce of him. Think Udonis Haslem.
George has the similar skillset of Demar? Doesn't have the great first step to guard 2's? Considering he's 6'9" and plays the 3, yeah, he doesn't guard too many 2s. George doesn't have the quickness or explosiveness that Derozan has, but has the wingspan to be a disputive on the defensive end, plus it helps him grab rebounds. He doesn't have very good handles.
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I really don't know if we should be so crazy about taking a point guard this draft cuz next year there will be a huge, much better point guard class.
It doesn't matter about position. If the BPA is a PG, we should definitely take that guy. When you're a lotto team, you have a lot of needs to address. You can't afford to be selecting for a position of need.
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As for Henry' agility test score,it was 11.10, .06 off from turner. 3/4 sprint was 3.18 which was 0.04 off from John Wall. He's not a great defender, just a good defender. He plays solid team defense.

As for the point guard position, what if we happen to get a lottery pick in next years draft which is mainly one for point guards. We basically start drafting by position next year if that is the case. I'm also not so sure there is a clear cut BPA at our spot and whether he is a PG. This is something that needs to be though about.
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I want no part of Udoh - kid is 23 years old - and we know that big men take time to adjust to the NBA game.
Agreed!

Both Patterson/Udoh don't project very well as starters. Udoh reminds me of an Amir Johnson type, poor post moves, not a great face up game (despite the athleticism), but good potential on the D end. Keep in Mind Udoh needs some work on his body - and both players are PF - most likely Bargs position.

The only way I support drafting Udoh or Patterson at 13 is if the team trades back into the draft btw 15-17 to also take Bledsoe/Bradley.

Colangelo talked about addressing the PG position early in this offseason. If the team thinks Bradley can handle the position (like westbrook did) he's the BPA in my mind. And you can't pass on a PG if they are the BPA because, next year has a good crop of PG's, who knows what will happen.
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Agreed!

Both Patterson/Udoh don't project very well as starters. Udoh reminds me of an Amir Johnson type, poor post moves, not a great face up game (despite the athleticism), but good potential on the D end. Keep in Mind Udoh needs some work on his body - and both players are PF - most likely Bargs position.
I don't know where you're getting you're scouting reports, but Udoh's team workouts and draft sites say Udoh strenth is his face-up game:

"Much more aggressive looking to score (14 ppg) ... Shows the ability to face up opponents with his quick first step and new and improved ball handling skills ... His passing ability and court vision have been a revelation, often acting as a facilitator in Baylor's offense (2.7 ast) ... Reads double teams well and finds the open man. His post skills are on the incline exhibiting solid foot work and a series of quick moves ... Prefers a one power dribble jump hook. Has nice touch on his short range and mid-range jumper."

-NBADRAFT.NET

Unlike other Raptor players, he plays hard, plays both sides of the floor, and has the ability to create his own shot.
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I said that Udoh is not a great face-up player, nbadraft.net's scouting report doesn't change my statement. Udoh usually uses the triple threat position to create space for mid-range jumpshots because he doesn't have elite quickness for consistent blow-bye's - like Bosh. He also does the majority of his scoring in the post anyways (read draftexpress or Chad Ford or watch youtube for that info). Udoh's offensive game is widely considered to be raw, that is why he has a bit of upside although he is old at 23. His lack of strength will probably mean few minutes in his rookie campaign too.
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My own Opinion on who we should try and draft

Note: Just 1 of the following below - unless BC could try and trade up / buy a DP from someone else

Avery Bradley (if he is still there) Think about Bradley + Derozan in the backcourt
Hassan Whiteside (we so badly need a center)
Greg Monroe (it would be a steal)
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