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Old 06-11-2012, 09:41 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Raptors D. Smith: Raps high on Lillard, Waiters, Barnes, Rivers, Sullinger

Pretty obvious they want energy, drive and ambitious players. Which might explain the lack of conversation about Lamb..........Sullinger though?



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Draft time is starting to heat up considerably, this is a rather big week with individual workouts and interviews in Toronto and, frankly, things are as clear as mud at the moment.

If I had to come up with a list of guys the Raptors like an awful lot – and this is fluid and will be likely until June 28 – it’d be Dion Waiters, Damian Lillard, Austin Rivers, Harrison Barnes and Jared Sullinger.

It’s obvious than Bryan and the Henchmen are doing just what he said he’d do immediately after the season and after the lottery:

Finding what they consider the best player, regardless of position and acquiring assets.

I don’t think anyone should read anything into the names vis-à-vis guys already on the roster because the Raptors need players and if the player they like best plays a position they think could be already filled well, that’s tough. Take a guy you think can help and either let the coach figure out who plays or let the GM figure out if other moves have to be made.

(By the way, I still think the right thing to do is try to package the pick with a player, maybe two, and find some veteran three but that’s just me).

Of course, they might not have a shot at many of those people on the list because no one knows who might go before them.
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I could see Sullinger being like any of Hansborough, Millsap or Love..... still don't think we should take him, but he could be a solid pick.
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I think all those guys can work, Sullinger is definitely NBA ready (since last year) and opens up the possibilty of trading Bargnani which would fetch the most you can get in return compared to any other asset.

If I had to choose in order,the way this team is structured and going moving forward I'd go

1. Lillard 2. Barnes 3. Rivers 4. Sullinger 5. Waiters
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I think all those guys can work, Sullinger is definitely NBA ready (since last year) and opens up the possibilty of trading Bargnani which would fetch the most you can get in return compared to any other asset.

If I had to choose in order,the way this team is structured and going moving forward I'd go

1. Lillard 2. Barnes 3. Rivers 4. Sullinger 5. Waiters
Of those guys, I'd go:

Barnes, Lillard, Waiters, Rivers, Sullinger
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Of those guys, I'd go:

Barnes, Lillard, Waiters, Rivers, Sullinger
I would not mind Barnes at all, him and Lillard are the consensus 1-2.

Drafting Sullinger would have to result in a trade of at least one of Amir,ED or Bargs. So him being 5th of those 5 is essentially correct.
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1. Lillard
2. Barnes
3. Waiters



4. Rivers
5. Sullinger


I'm kind of hoping a player or two drop out of the top 5, namely Beal, Barnes, Drummond. I have a feeling someone will fall.
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1. Lillard
2. Barnes
3. Waiters



4. Rivers
5. Sullinger


I'm kind of hoping a player or two drop out of the top 5, namely Beal, Barnes, Drummond. I have a feeling someone will fall.
For some reason, I think that guy will be Drummond. He's probably the one guy who, if falls to 8, means we keep the pick. (Obviously same goes for Beal, etc..)

I think Casey will be able to work with Drummond very well. Would love to have him, Jova and Bargs as the frontcourt.
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For some reason, I think that guy will be Drummond. He's probably the one guy who, if falls to 8, means we keep the pick. (Obviously same goes for Beal, etc..)

I think Casey will be able to work with Drummond very well. Would love to have him, Jova and Bargs as the frontcourt.
Absolutely agree.... then move one of amir or ed and strengthen the perimeter, which is long overdue!
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Absolutely agree.... then move one of amir or ed and strengthen the perimeter, which is long overdue!
He just seems so much like Bynum to me. Yeah he has the whole "laid back" label on him. That's fine. All it takes is the right coach to foster that into good work ethic and intensity.
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He just seems so much like Bynum to me. Yeah he has the whole "laid back" label on him. That's fine. All it takes is the right coach to foster that into good work ethic and intensity.
Bynum's size is so hard to find. Even with a terrible attitude he's still a stud C.... I'd take that. You can teach effort, you can't teach size.
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Bynum's size is so hard to find. Even with a terrible attitude he's still a stud C.... I'd take that. You can teach effort, you can't teach size.
I don't believe you can teach that - you either have a strong work ethic instilled young and have an internal push inside or you don't. However, the right coach or owner can find something that will motivate to achieve potential but then you have guys with career years and spoiled prima donas - always doing just what it takes but always lacking that 'something' that takes you over the top.
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I don't believe you can teach that - you either have a strong work ethic instilled young and have an internal push inside or you don't. However, the right coach or owner can find something that will motivate to achieve potential but then you have guys with career years and spoiled prima donas - always doing just what it takes but always lacking that 'something' that takes you over the top.
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I don't believe you can teach that - you either have a strong work ethic instilled young and have an internal push inside or you don't. However, the right coach or owner can find something that will motivate to achieve potential but then you have guys with career years and spoiled prima donas - always doing just what it takes but always lacking that 'something' that takes you over the top.
So you can't teach effort but a coach can miraculously inspire those that can't be taught to work harder? How did we go from a brutal defensive team to a decent one? I'd suggest increased effort on the defensive end, inspired by Casey, but accomplished by the players. Sure, some players are more inclined to do it on their own, others I feel need a little more help.
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So you can't teach effort but a coach can miraculously inspire those that can't be taught to work harder? How did we go from a brutal defensive team to a decent one? I'd suggest increased effort on the defensive end, inspired by Casey, but accomplished by the players. Sure, some players are more inclined to do it on their own, others I feel need a little more help.
we changed the coach, but Bargs is still shitty defender and rebounder. He has the tools, but he lacks effort..
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1. Lillard
2. Barnes
3. Waiters



4. Rivers
5. Sullinger


I'm kind of hoping a player or two drop out of the top 5, namely Beal, Barnes, Drummond. I have a feeling someone will fall.
I think you have Sullinger in the right order. I believe he will not be as effective in pro level due to size. He is not Charles Barkley. Lillard is the guy but will go in first 5. We need help at PF, why not Terrence Jones? NBA body and size...

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we changed the coach, but Bargs is still shitty defender and rebounder. He has the tools, but he lacks effort..
He is a seven foot Jason Kapono ...just a Tool
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He is a seven foot Jason Kapono ...just a Tool
You're the Jason Kapono of RF.

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we changed the coach, but Bargs is still shitty defender and rebounder. He has the tools, but he lacks effort..
So DeRozan and Ed lack effort still, what's your point? Are you suggesting Bargnani didn't exhibit more effort on the defensive end this year under Casey?

Yeah, he's not a great rebounder, but his floor positioning also contributes to that frequently as well. This has no bearing on effort being a skill that can be taught though.
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You're the Jason Kapono of RF.

lmao

And no Carp, external motivation by dangling a carrot isn't the same thing as a player 'learning' effort....how do you do that anyways? Either a player does or he doesn't or somewhere along the way the player has to decide to change for himself.
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