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Old 01-17-2011, 09:07 PM   #21 (permalink)
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patriotism is ridiculous.
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Old 01-17-2011, 09:13 PM   #22 (permalink)
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whats wrong with representing your native country, especially when its not well known in sports? thats every kids dream
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Old 01-18-2011, 05:19 PM   #23 (permalink)
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patriotism is ridiculous.
Please, shut up, Maybe you are used to just sit and watch all the games and if your Canadian then you don`t have a chance to see them playing good in WC or somewhere else. Don`t judge people who are not bought by cash and they just to play for national team for free!. Please just sit and read those threads we don`t need no rasism shit

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Old 01-18-2011, 07:18 PM   #24 (permalink)
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ha ha ha.

this is by no means an issue of racism. this is an issue of dogma. nice try, but my opinion is significantly more nuanced than you would seem to believe.

patriotism is an issue of faith. faith is always problematic because it disallows certain types of questioning. patriotism leads quickly to dogma, and in many cases to xenophobia. no thanks.

and if you had spent any time here over the years, i'd probably be one of the last guys you could possibly accuse of being a racist. take a look at my posting history dude. but if it makes you feel better to hide behind your flag, have fun.
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Old 01-18-2011, 08:01 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Could it be possible that these injuries are just being played up as a means of saving face while the team decides to sit him down and see what they have with him out of the equation? With the excuse of injury, he can accept being put in such a position a little easier, and the team doesn't kill his value so much.
I get what you're saying but I think kleiza is actually hurt he's moving even slower than he was before lol, although im not buying peja and sonny being hurt for this long, there has to be a deal coming up or something
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Old 01-18-2011, 08:11 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Not surprised to hear that, he should be playing better. About national team i think there is about 1% chance that he won't come this year to our NT camp if he's healthy, because we host European championship.
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Old 01-19-2011, 01:14 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Well if Kleiza wont play this year for Lithuania, then i dunno what to think about him.. He is playing for NT since 16 years old, he gives us all of his summers, and now when we are hosting the Championship in Lithuania u are saying he shouldnt play? hahah, i think Linas would better break his contract with Toronto like Garbo did than miss this championship..
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Well if Kleiza wont play this year for Lithuania, then i dunno what to think about him.. He is playing for NT since 16 years old, he gives us all of his summers, and now when we are hosting the Championship in Lithuania u are saying he shouldnt play? hahah, i think Linas would better break his contract with Toronto like Garbo did than miss this championship..
If he doesn't mind playing in Europe after maybe he will....
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If he doesn't mind playing in Europe after maybe he will....
Where do you see a problem about playing in Europe?
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Old 01-19-2011, 01:41 PM   #30 (permalink)
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He can miss the EC because of the lock out, isn't it?
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Old 01-19-2011, 01:48 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Where do you see a problem about playing in Europe?
I don't... but if he preferred to play in Europe, he would currently be.
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Old 01-19-2011, 01:52 PM   #32 (permalink)
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'trane, you see only bad things. Your home country means nothing to you. But, it's not a bad thing when people love their country.
How patriotism is connected with faith? About what faith you talking about?
I actually understand you. Antipatriotism leads to antirasism. But patriotism is not just a bad thing. IF you are patriotic, doesnt't mean you are xenophob. You just wishing all the best for your country and want to help it. Doesn't mean you want to destroy the other countries.

Maybe patriotism is dying concept, but it's not ridiculous.
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Old 01-19-2011, 01:58 PM   #33 (permalink)
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I don't... but if he preferred to play in Europe, he would currently be.
NBA is his first option, but not only. He is not American kid, who brain washed by NBA media. Look, NBA ring means more to them than Olympic medal... NBA champions are called WORLD champions... NBA is just a national league, come on...
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Old 01-19-2011, 02:07 PM   #34 (permalink)
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'trane, you see only bad things. Your home country means nothing to you. But, it's not a bad thing when people love their country.
How patriotism is connected with faith? About what faith you talking about?
I actually understand you. Antipatriotism leads to antirasism. But patriotism is not just a bad thing. IF you are patriotic, doesnt't mean you are xenophob. You just wishing all the best for your country and want to help it. Doesn't mean you want to destroy the other countries.

Maybe patriotism is dying concept, but it's not ridiculous.
I agree, I have friends who conside themselves quite intelligent and look down on those who are patriotic. But their is no shame in being proud of where you're from.

Trane is right as well though, patriotism can get out of hand in a hurry and is ugly when pushed upon people.

You show your patriotism through sports and not war or religion, that's a good thing.

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Old 01-19-2011, 02:15 PM   #35 (permalink)
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'trane, you see only bad things. Your home country means nothing to you. But, it's not a bad thing when people love their country.
How patriotism is connected with faith? About what faith you talking about?
I actually understand you. Antipatriotism leads to antirasism. But patriotism is not just a bad thing. IF you are patriotic, doesnt't mean you are xenophob. You just wishing all the best for your country and want to help it. Doesn't mean you want to destroy the other countries.

Maybe patriotism is dying concept, but it's not ridiculous.
patriotism is itself faith.

and it is definitely a bad thing when people love their country to the point that it becomes unassailable. anything that limits inquiry is problematic. patriotism definitely limits inquiry, by definition. on top of that it creates an us vs. them mentality. wanting the best for your country inevitably leads to problems when the interests of your country come into conflict with larger or smaller level interests - the globe, the local community, etc. nothing - no state, no person, no idea - should be held to a higher regard than another without analysis. all are open to criticism and all should be balanced to achieve greater good. patriotism limits the spectrum by compelling people to act in support of a particular nation, or even a particular notion.

i have no problem with being proud of achievements that have been analyzed and that are open to criticism, but it is only in rare circumstances that patriotism takes a form that resembles this in any way.

unfortunately patriotism is not a dying concept.
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Old 01-19-2011, 02:22 PM   #36 (permalink)
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Back to this WC thing for a sec.... I'm Canadian and I would LOVE for Nash to play for us again... hell I've been hoping that it would have happened at some point over the past 10 years but I understand why he doesn't.... the Suns pay his salary and the NBA season is demanding.... he can't afford to be missing games due to injury.

I can respect that.

Jose... Hedo... now Kleiza....

I'm getting really tired of guys burning themselves out just so they can go back and play for their national side multiple times.

As a player you have an obligation to the team that pays your salary... that's your JOB.

I don't think it's a lot to ask IMO.
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Old 01-19-2011, 02:28 PM   #37 (permalink)
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I'm not sure all patriotism has to be dumb blind Hacksaw Jim Duggan patriotism.

You can love your country and not love your government and it's decisions? Perhaps by your definition that isn't patriotism?

Isn't possible that love and devotion for one's country could lead to more inquiry if you felt that the direction of the country was being misguided.
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Old 01-19-2011, 02:38 PM   #38 (permalink)
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I'm not sure all patriotism has to be dumb blind Hacksaw Jim Duggan patriotism.

You can love your country and not love your government and it's decisions? Perhaps by your definition that isn't patriotism?

Isn't possible that love and devotion for one's country could lead to more inquiry if you felt that the direction of the country was being misguided.
i'd like to believe it could, but it doesn't, and most patriotism is all caught up with national mythology. take a look at the states -you have one big group opposed to obama because he's 'un-american' for all kinds of nonsense reasons. and you have another bunch that don't feel it is right to attack the government at all, and another that thinks obama is doing exactly the right things by fostering a more american and real 'liberal republicanism'. all 3 of these sides drape their committment in the flag. remove the patriotism from the equation and you can have a real conversation about what works and what doesn't.

at the end of the day it can't be the flag and what it represents that is of ultimate importance, it needs to be a much more complex set of factors that take into account the local, intermediate and global needs. patriotism does not allow balance, it compels devotion to nationalized myths.

love the hacksaw jim duggan reference.
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Old 01-19-2011, 02:46 PM   #39 (permalink)
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Would like to see what would Winter Olympic and WC look like without NHL players. Trane u prolly dont even watch hockey, rite?
Problem is in the amount of games played during season and tight schedule on championships that wears the players down.
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Old 01-19-2011, 02:51 PM   #40 (permalink)
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unfortunately, max, the world is a little more complicated than that.
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