D. Smith: If Delfino is returned it's with the MLE
Old 07-09-2009, 10:03 AM   #1 (permalink)
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D. Smith: If Delfino is returned it's with the MLE

This makes no sense to me. But i did think we had to renounce these players by tuesday night.


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Bryan got the free agent he wanted Turkoglu at the number he wanted him at.

He got two guys who are if not serviceable and I dont know about Wright but I bet hes got a shot at doing something there have contracts that expire at the end of this season so they do not interfere with any salary machinations next summer.

There is every chance they will now bring back Carlos Delfino, who may not be an MVP candidate but I think is going to be a very good versatile piece in what is now an improved backcourt.

There is every chance they will now replace Kris Humphries with Rasho Nesterovic and that, for the role that has to be filled, is an upgrade. Rasho will be fine coming off the bench and doing his job, he is not the kind of guy wholl want to expand his role and hell be an excellent fit in the locker room.

There may be money out of the mid-level to spend although I caution this: We cannot know how much until all the numbers are crunched (mainly the addition of Carlos and how much he costs) because they are probably getting a bit close to the tax level. But still, its there if they can spend it.

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Old 07-09-2009, 10:05 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I think he means how much can we spend until we hit the luxury tax. After we get delfino, the difference to the hard cap (for us) might be smaller than 5.9 mil.
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talkin bout the luxury tax
Delfino does not affect the MLE
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Anybody know the answer to this: If you own a players rights, like we do with Delfino...but they play overseas for a year (like he did), do their bird rights continue to accrue?

Maybe the better question is what action did we have to take in order for Delfino to leave last year to play in Russia...and did that action effectively re-set his bird rights.

Delfino played for us in 07/08, we owned his rights in 08/09, so if all you need to do is own his rights or have him under contract in order for his bird rights to continue to accrue we should be able to make him an offer based on his Early Bird rights which come into effect after two years with the same team without being waived.

If that's the way it works we shouldn't have to use any of our MLE to sign Delfino...
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Smith has been SUCH a fail this offseason.

Right now we're at appr. 58.1-58.3 mil. MLE is 5.8 mil, BAE is 2.0 mil. That brings us to 65.9. Tax is 69.9, so we have 3.8-4 mil to sign Delfino. Which is easily enough. Even if it wasn't we could just spend 5.5 of the MLE or something to make up for it
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Anybody know the answer to this: If you own a players rights, like we do with Delfino...but they play overseas for a year (like he did), do their bird rights continue to accrue?

Maybe the better question is what action did we have to take in order for Delfino to leave last year to play in Russia...and did that action effectively re-set his bird rights.

Delfino played for us in 07/08, we owned his rights in 08/09, so if all you need to do is own his rights or have him under contract in order for his bird rights to continue to accrue we should be able to make him an offer based on his Early Bird rights which come into effect after two years with the same team without being waived.

If that's the way it works we shouldn't have to use any of our MLE to sign Delfino...
Yea that's exactly how it works. We still have his rights and we can go over the cap to sign him. There is no need to use the MLE on im
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Smith is a day late reporting on anything that actually comes to fruition and generally dead wrong when it comes to predictions.
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Old 07-09-2009, 12:39 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Doesnt really matter at all either way.

However, have to keep in mind the salary going into next offseason(need to leave enough room to resign Bosh to a bit more money first season, if that is the route team goes)
Wright and George both expire giving about an extra 3.5 million in room to give to Bosh.

So taking that into consideration, the additions this offseason will probably be something like Delfino, Rasho, and maybe someone like Joey on the cheap(1-1.5 million per) That would totally fill out the Roster but leave us flexibility next offseason to add a pick, maybe another minimum contract to replace George and give Bosh a new contract.
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So taking that into consideration, the additions this offseason will probably be something like Delfino, Rasho, and maybe someone like Joey on the cheap(1-1.5 million per)
I think you're way off.

At least after Delfino/Rasho

Delfino is re-signed. Which leaves MLE/LLE/Bi Annual

My guess is Rasho signs for LLE or Bi Annual. Leaving MLE/LLE to get a SF/PG
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Are the LLE and BAE the same thing?
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I think you're way off.

At least after Delfino/Rasho

Delfino is re-signed. Which leaves MLE/LLE/Bi Annual

My guess is Rasho signs for LLE or Bi Annual. Leaving MLE/LLE to get a SF/PG
Yes, but you need to keep in mind that the team is gonna be coming up on the tax level soon, tax will be lower next offseason when we need to give Bosh a raise. Adding Delfino(4 million per) and Rasho(2 million per) and Joey(1.5 million per) would bring the payroll to about 67 million.

Next offseason we lose 2 guys at 3.5 million but they need to be replaced and a draft pick added as well.

So just because the ability to spend is there, it isnt alway neccessary to do so.

Derozan, Delfino and Wright can more than handle the sg position(especially with how high on Derozan Management is)

A front court of
Bosh, Bargs, Rasho, Evans, Pops and POB is one of the most solid in the league.

SF of Turk and George just needs a little more depth(minimum contract-Joey?) because Turk is gonna log 35 a night there.

PG is Jose, Ukic, Banks and Turk can play a point forward so that position could possible be played by any of the sg's in a pinch. Other than that Banks and Ukic will be fine.

There is noone that will make any huge difference outside of Delfino and Rashop so there is no need to spend the money.
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Yes, but you need to keep in mind that the team is gonna be coming up on the tax level soon, tax will be lower next offseason when we need to give Bosh a raise. Adding Delfino(4 million per) and Rasho(2 million per) and Joey(1.5 million per) would bring the payroll to about 67 million.

Next offseason we lose 2 guys at 3.5 million but they need to be replaced and a draft pick added as well.

So just because the ability to spend is there, it isnt alway neccessary to do so.

Derozan, Delfino and Wright can more than handle the sg position(especially with how high on Derozan Management is)

A front court of
Bosh, Bargs, Rasho, Evans, Pops and POB is one of the most solid in the league.

SF of Turk and George just needs a little more depth(minimum contract-Joey?) because Turk is gonna log 35 a night there.

PG is Jose, Ukic, Banks and Turk can play a point forward so that position could possible be played by any of the sg's in a pinch. Other than that Banks and Ukic will be fine.

There is noone that will make any huge difference outside of Delfino and Rashop so there is no need to spend the money.
Next years tax is not an issue because we have about 10Mil coming off the books and Banks would probably be moved because his contract will be going into his last season. And other moves can be made.

I just think we're getting Delfino/Rasho/Barnes or Kleiza....and maybe a PG with the minimum (1Mil)

Plus George isn't very good at all and Joey i don't want back....so fuck that. I wouldn't want George or Joey having to start if Hedo were to get injured.

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we dont have anything anywhere near that coming off the books(assuming Bosh is in fact resigned)

ony other expirings is George and Wright.
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Team needs to make sure that it has enough room under tax to sign not only a pick, but another minimum player and give Bosh his raise but still remain under the tax next season.
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So BC worked his ass off to get MLE/LLE and then not use it??

-You're saying Joey is a minimum signing (1Mil)

-Rasho is i guess LLE or BAE

-Since Delfino is a re-sign.....No MLE?


BC isn't gonna do all that to just bring back an aging Centre and Joey frickin' Graham and not touch the MLE. If that was all he did it's like starting something and not finishing. And that isn't BC.
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i agree with Snooch, don't spend just because you can. Unless George sucks as much as Jeffb thinks or we wavie him, delfino and Rasho will be enough. Defino can even play the point if Calderon goes down. Signing 4 more players is way overboard
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So BC worked his ass off to get MLE/LLE and then not use it??

-You're saying Joey is a minimum signing (1Mil)

-Rasho is i guess LLE or BAE

-Since Delfino is a re-sign.....No MLE?


BC isn't gonna do all that to just bring back an aging Centre and Joey frickin' Graham and not touch the MLE. If that was all he did it's like starting something and not finishing. And that isn't BC.
I think you have to look long term, don't want to screw ourselves over in the future just to get a few morebench warmers. Worse comes to worse, if something does go wrong during the year(injuries), we sign someone than.
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So BC worked his ass off to get MLE/LLE and then not use it??

-You're saying Joey is a minimum signing (1Mil)

-Rasho is i guess LLE or BAE

-Since Delfino is a re-sign.....No MLE?


BC isn't gonna do all that to just bring back an aging Centre and Joey frickin' Graham and not touch the MLE. If that was all he did it's like starting something and not finishing. And that isn't BC.
No Im not saying that, Im saying he doesnt need to use the whole 5.9 million of it.

If Rasho comes on board for the BAE(2million)
Joey as a 10minute a game MAX 10th man at 1 or 1.5 million.
Delfino Back.
Have to keep in mind that Turk is gona be playing 35 per at the SF position, George can easily give the other 10 or so minutes, so there is no real need in a "difference maker" at the sf positon. A solid shooter who can give 10 a night and maybe play 2 positions.

I would honestly call Walter Hermann before I would call Joey, but same idea just the same.

PG is set now
With Delfino back sg is set
PF is set with Pops being added ans the 3rd guy
Center will be set if Rasho comes back
SF needs a 3rd stringer to split 10 minutes per with George.
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i agree with Snooch, don't spend just because you can. Unless George sucks as much as Jeffb thinks or we wavie him, delfino and Rasho will be enough. Defino can even play the point if Calderon goes down. Signing 4 more players is way overboard
All you'd be doing is re-signing one of our own players (Delfino) and another with the MLE.

Rasho would be cheap.

Delfino/Kleiza or Barnes/Rasho.....very reasonable imo and we wouldn't even have to use all of the MLE.

+ No way is Joey coming back so why discuss him.
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