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Old 02-27-2012, 10:53 PM   #21 (permalink)
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It worked for us signing Hakeem when he was 38/39; years old! We got a full half of a season out of him.

Also, why bother bringing Steve to our rebuilding team? Unless we get Chandler and a really high draft pick, and Jonas looks 20 lbs buffer next season, bringing in Nash is kind of a waste - we won't be contending for anything.

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Old 02-27-2012, 10:54 PM   #22 (permalink)
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It worked for us signing Hakeem when he was 38/39; why can't it work for Steve?

Hakeem was done when he signed him. I'm going to assume that you can't seriously be comapring the two.
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Old 02-27-2012, 11:02 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Makes absolutely zero sense, except for pure sentimental reasons.

I'd love for Nash to get traded to a contended and get a shot or two at winning the title.
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Old 02-27-2012, 11:08 PM   #24 (permalink)
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I would honestly go as hard as possible after Nash, something like 2 years 24 million. What could help the development of our young guys more than the orchestrator of an elite offence? He'll make the game so much easier for guys like DD/ED/Jonas especially, and obviously Bargs. I think it'd be a dream offseason if we were to get Barnes in the draft, Nash in free agency, and then attract a few veterans in free agency after signing Nash. Not only would we be an exciting playoff team come the next 2 years, we would build a winning culture where in 2 years where Nash retires, we'll have a winning team with really young good players that are ready to take the next step and players will want to play here.
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Old 02-27-2012, 11:09 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Hakeem was done when he signed him. I'm going to assume that you can't seriously be comapring the two.
Nash could be done next year or the year after next. People always say he gets better with age, well you can't expect him to keep it up.
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Old 02-27-2012, 11:53 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Nash could be done next year or the year after next. People always say he gets better with age, well you can't expect him to keep it up.


People said this exact thing 4 years ago. And that is our exact point.
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Old 02-28-2012, 12:01 AM   #27 (permalink)
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People said this exact thing 4 years ago. And that is our exact point.
Except that each year those saying it are getting closer and closer to being right. You are not going to advocate that Nash is not human, right?

Acquiring Nash won't move us closer to building a contender in Toronto. If anything, it's going to prolong the mediocrity by the virtue of him overachieving with the roster, worsening draft picks the team could obtain and then retiring, leaving the team with a huge hole both positional- and decision-making-wise.
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Old 02-28-2012, 12:09 AM   #28 (permalink)
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Except that each year those saying it are getting closer and closer to being right. You are not going to advocate that Nash is not human, right?

Acquiring Nash won't move us closer to building a contender in Toronto. If anything, it's going to prolong the mediocrity by the virtue of him overachieving with the roster, worsening draft picks the team could obtain and then retiring, leaving the team with a huge hole both positional- and decision-making-wise.
A lot of these headaches could really be solved if we could just get ourselves some scouts (or a GM) who were good at evaluating talent to be found late in the draft.

Hoping and praying for 10-win seasons and top 3 picks every year makes your franchise look like an absolute joke.
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Old 02-28-2012, 12:11 AM   #29 (permalink)
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People said this exact thing 4 years ago. And that is our exact point.
He will be in his 40's in two years.

I want him here playing at a high level more than anything else, but to think his body can handle reaching his 40's and running another fast-break system with also lockdown D demanded from Casey, is just wrong. Maybe at 25 minutes max.
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Old 02-28-2012, 12:22 AM   #30 (permalink)
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A lot of these headaches could really be solved if we could just get ourselves some scouts (or a GM) who were good at evaluating talent to be found late in the draft.

Hoping and praying for 10-win seasons and top 3 picks every year makes your franchise look like an absolute joke.
Not every year. But another lottery season would do us good (Kabongo?).
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Old 02-28-2012, 12:34 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Hoping and praying for 10-win seasons and top 3 picks every year makes your franchise look like an absolute joke.
I'm with you, get your top talent through the draft. You don't rebuild your franchise with a 2 year band-aid. The best players this franchise has produced were from draft (BOSH, Vince, Mcgrady, Stoudemire). Aren't we tired of players in the twlight of the years (Jermaine O'Neil, Hakeem, Mark Jackson) hoping they still can produce.
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Old 02-28-2012, 12:51 AM   #32 (permalink)
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with two picks coming in this year(minimum), and if bargnani's injury isn't one that lingers with him, i'd say we'd be better than mediocre. And that's not taking into account JJ, Derozan's likely improvement. heck, what if ED's dad kicks him in the arse and he starts producing too? comeon dude..
Spending all our money on Nash would leave us with no money meaning no free agent help. I really doubt Valanciunas is going to become the saviour of Raptors basketball the second he puts on a jersey, same with our draft pick. Derozan is worse right now than Shannon Brown so unless he has a drastic turnaround (which he's beginning to show), he'll be at Brown's same level. Ed is going to buried on the bench even more when Val shows up. Bargs and Nash would be interesting but aside from that we would be just a be better than Phoenix to be a low playoff seed, and that's assuming Nash doesn't decline.

All in all we would not in rebuilding phase any more, it would all be about win now, and I doubt we get past the first round. I would much rather see Nash end his career team with a contender.
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Old 02-28-2012, 12:52 AM   #33 (permalink)
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the best way to develop the young players is with a player like Nash.
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Old 02-28-2012, 01:02 AM   #34 (permalink)
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I would do this.

For the obvious reasons, like being Canadian and all of that... but also, I've always loved players that increase others' stats. Even though we're moving towards the opposite of a "D'Antoni system" with Casey, the fact that you can inflate someone's stats on the offensive end, is often enough to bolster their trade values. All of a sudden one (or a few) of our players have statistical jumps, and that makes them a much more valued commodity.

I think Nash too, wouldn't mind taking a mentoring role, and only playing 25 mins a game, while you can get a rookie/Bayless to fill the other minutes and developing in the background.

Points already mentioned like increasing Bargs', DeRozan's and James Johnson's producticity (among others) makes a move like this very appealing. And as already mentioned, he would help Jonas acclimate that much more quickly.

When all's said and done, you offer him a role similar to Alvin Williams as a coach of player development or something like that, so that the most famous Canadian to play in the NBA keeps his basketball and Canadian roots. Sign me up.
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Love how everyone is asking why the Raps would want Nash. Shouldn't it be the reverse? Why would Nash want to play out his final years with a P.O.S. team like the Raptors? Gets to the playoffs with the Mavs, gets to the playoffs with the Suns, and now he's supposed to want to be on a team whose 2nd-best player is a one-dimensional PF who gets outrebounded by PG's? That's funny.
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Old 02-28-2012, 01:12 AM   #36 (permalink)
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Love how everyone is asking why the Raps would want Nash. Shouldn't it be the reverse? Why would Nash want to play out his final years with a P.O.S. team like the Raptors? Gets to the playoffs with the Mavs, gets to the playoffs with the Suns, and now he's supposed to want to be on a team whose 2nd-best player is a one-dimensional PF who gets outrebounded by PG's? That's funny.
Ed Davis is like our 8th best player
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Old 02-28-2012, 01:14 AM   #37 (permalink)
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Old 02-28-2012, 01:18 AM   #38 (permalink)
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I think everyone is underestimating Nash. If the the Raps were healthy all year this year, we'd be AT LEAST a .500 team right now (and Bargnani would've been an all-star but i digress) and that would've been with Jose running the point.

Now consider this:

swap Jose for Nash...Plus add Jonas next year...Plus getting a draft pick (doesn't matter how high or low BC will pick the right guy), ... Plus everyone else developing team chemistry... Plus Casey having a year under his belt....

The Raps can do damage next year. What a story it would be if Nash took the Raps all the way like jeezusfeckingchirstgetoutjeremylin. Doug Smith might be right. I definitely think so.
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Old 02-28-2012, 01:37 AM   #39 (permalink)
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Except that each year those saying it are getting closer and closer to being right. You are not going to advocate that Nash is not human, right?
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He will be in his 40's in two years.

I want him here playing at a high level more than anything else, but to think his body can handle reaching his 40's and running another fast-break system with also lockdown D demanded from Casey, is just wrong. Maybe at 25 minutes max.
All of these things (and these sorts of things) have been said about Nash consistently before every season for the past 6 or 7 years. I'm not saying you are wrong this time, just that everyone has been wrong every time so far.

And for the record, I expect he'd be playing around 25-30 minutes a game anyway.

Not that I am in favour of this move - just disagree with certain arguments being made against it, considering recent history.
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