D. Smith: Delfino is a priority, with or without Jack
Old 07-13-2009, 09:28 AM   #1 (permalink)
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So, where are we?

Not much different from where were on Friday, except for that whole offer-sheet-to-Jarrett-Jack thingy that happened Saturday night.

Regardless of that offer, the Raptors still have a great interest in Carlos Delfino – the Jack deal should have no impact on that, according to one of my higher placed Toronto sources – and I would imagine the phone lines between Toronto (or Vegas) and Ljubljana, Slovenia, will be crackling even more this week.

I’m sure there are fallbacks in all three cases (I know Kleiza would be Plan B if the Jack thing unexpectedly falls apart) but, in their perfect world, they do Delfino, Rasho and the work is done for now.

Remember: They have 12 guaranteed contracts right at the moment and Jack, Carlos and Rasho bring ‘em to 15 and then they’re done. And I’ll say this right now: Training camp will be about teaching the guys they’ve got what they want them to do; there will not be any competition for roster spots it appears at the moment.

That should make those five days on the lovely campus at Carleton very stress-free. Just as we like it.

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Okay, let’s say they get the three guys they want and the roster is as we expect.

How’s the depth chart?

Well, going on the assumption that they play 10 regularly (and it could very well end up being nine), my 10 would be:

Jose, DeRozan, Turkoglu, Bosh, Bargnani, Jack, Delfino, Evans, Nesterovic and the only place there’s competition is to see who plays some backup three. Could be that Wright sneaks in there and Delfino’s a three. Or Douby gets some time at the two and Delfino’s a three for parts of games.

That would leave Roko, George, O’Bryant, Douby or Wright, and Banks as the odd guys out of the regular rotation.

The starting two-guard’s the only question mark of note in this scenario and it will depend on how the kid develops.
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Old 07-13-2009, 09:42 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I think Wright should be better utilized and it's possible he'll be in the rotation. He has good size to guard wing players and DeRozan might just take longer than expected to be ready. Then again, like he said, this is in the 'perfect world', in an even more perfect world, we'll lose Banks (maybe trade him with someone else) and we might have 13 or 14 players in the end.
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are ppl really expecting dd to start??
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Considering how favorably Triano and BC have spoken of the scenario, yea I can see DD starting. He'll get his 15-20 minutes a game, sit in the 4th quarter and be there basically to learn alongside the starting 4 and provide solid defense.

If he can't play D in training camp, then we should start either Delfino or Wright and have DeRozan sit out most of the game. If he plays solid defense and will work hard, then I think it would be wise to start him.
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are ppl really expecting dd to start??
I wouldn't doubt it. If he can prove he can defend at SG he'll probably be starting. Then you have Jack/Delfino/Wrght/Evans/Rasho as the second unit, so to speak. Good balance, DD just has to be a good defender.
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Wright's a solid defender, I have a feeling that with Derozan developing and Delfino being his inconsistent self that Wright will find his way into a consistent spot in the rotation.
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are ppl really expecting dd to start??
i guess some people here are. I am certainly not expecting it myself - nor do i particularily think it's the best way to throw DD into action.
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Wright's a solid defender, I have a feeling that with Derozan developing and Delfino being his inconsistent self that Wright will find his way into a consistent spot in the rotation.
It could very well be that DD is Turkoglu's backup and the SG spot will consist of Wright/Delfino and a little of Jack and Douby. Everything depends on what Derozan does in summer league and training camp. He'll either be starting at SG or the backup SF.
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It could very well be that DD is Turkoglu's backup and the SG spot will consist of Wright/Delfino and a little of Jack and Douby. Everything depends on what Derozan does in summer league and training camp. He'll either be starting at SG or the backup SF.
It wouldn't surprise me to see Derozan start the season in either scenario. I'd probably prefer to have him start out at the three to mask his ballhandling / shooting deficiencies but I think he's surprised a couple people with how well he's shooting and dribbling the ball so far in summer league. If he keeps progressing in those respects, you never know.
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Wright is good enough to be in the rotation but I don't like the idea of him starting.

I like how this years group of wings each bring something different to the mix.
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It wouldn't surprise me to see Derozan start the season in either scenario. I'd probably prefer to have him start out at the three to mask his ballhandling / shooting deficiencies but I think he's surprised a couple people with how well he's shooting and dribbling the ball so far in summer league. If he keeps progressing in those respects, you never know.
Actually Derozan is an excellent mid range shooter, it's of the long range variety that he struggles with. The last month of play last season in College he shot 58% from the field.
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With the additions of Jack/Wright/Derozan/Delfino....our back court is no longer our weakness. And i'm really excited to see who's starting at SG and where Derozan's gonna play.

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Jose/Jack/Ukic
Delfino or Wright/Jack
Turkoglu/DD/Wright
Bosh/Evans/?
Bargs/Rasho/POB
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Actually Derozan is an excellent mid range shooter, it's of the long range variety that he struggles with. The last month of play last season in College he shot 58% from the field.
Yeah, that's what I was referring to. He won't need to be as effective from deep if he's playing the three.
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Jose/Jack/Ukic/Banks =19Mil at one position

Somebody has got to go. David Aldridge was just saying on NBATV that Banks will not take a buyout.
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With Jack potentially signing, the need for Delfino diminishes as he won't see time at the point. Wright could be more than solid at 2, and with DeRozan in the wings and Turk starting at 3 and playing at least 35 per game, where do the minutes for them come from?

I am a Delfino supporter, but signing him makes less and less sense to me, at least this summer. Rasho, on the other hand, is the must.
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With Jack potentially signing, the need for Delfino diminishes as he won't see time at the point. Wright could be more than solid at 2, and with DeRozan in the wings and Turk starting at 3 and playing at least 35 per game, where do the minutes for them come from?

I am a Delfino supporter, but signing him makes less and less sense to me, at least this summer. Rasho, on the other hand, is the must.
I think you still need Delfino because it gives Derozan a more defined role at the 3 behind Turkoglu (probably) and it allows us to not have to have Jack play a ton of minutes at the 2. Wright isn't much of a scorer and then who scores at the 2 spot off the bench? It allows Jack to primarily a backup PG and gives us a nice rotation at SG. Either way, Delfino will be here and Rasho as well imo.
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BC's work shouldn't be done at that point. He's still paying $11-12 Mil for the 11-15 players. Quite excessive. Ya, a lot of that's Banks but they should be able to package up some players and make more improvements.

DD should earn the starting position, not just get handed it.
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BC's work shouldn't be done at that point. He's still paying $11-12 Mil for the 11-15 players. Quite excessive. Ya, a lot of that's Banks but they should be able to package up some players and make more improvements.

DD should earn the starting position, not just get handed it.
I think DD will be the backup SF behind Turkoglu to start the season with Delfino/Wright/Jack at the SG.
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I want Wright to start, with DD backing up Wright and Delfino backing up Turk or vice versa. I think Wright proved he can startin the NBA last year with the MAvs. I hope he starts at SG
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I think you still need Delfino because it gives Derozan a more defined role at the 3 behind Turkoglu (probably) and it allows us to not have to have Jack play a ton of minutes at the 2. Wright isn't much of a scorer and then who scores at the 2 spot off the bench? It allows Jack to primarily a backup PG and gives us a nice rotation at SG. Either way, Delfino will be here and Rasho as well imo.
Wright and George become FAs after next season and, considering Delfino's nagging shoulder injury, I'd be very reluctant to tie any money in him going forward.

Look, BC has spent a lot of future dollars on Calderon, Bargnani and Turk and is about to do the same for Jack. Bosh, it seems, might even be extended this summer as well, if he is impressed enough and his agent is scared enough of cap and max. contracts coming down in value next summer. The more money BC ties up today, the closer we creep towards the future luxury tax payments (and luxury tax threshold will be coming down as well next summer, you can be sure of that).

All in all, I don't think Colangelo will make a lot of future commitments beyond Jack. If Jack falls through, I can see him going after Delfino, but if Jack's offer is not matched, we'll be at around 64 mil committed for 10/11 season even if Bosh stays at his projected 17 mil! That's too "luxurious", IMHO.
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