D. Smith: Colangelo's option will likely get picked up
Old 02-28-2013, 12:52 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Q: Doug, it now looks likely that the Raptors miss the playoffs and convey the pick to OKC. Do you think the Gay trade secured BC's future here, at least for another year, or do you expect MLSE to look elsewhere this summer?

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Old 02-28-2013, 01:00 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Luckily Doug is wrong about most everything. Here's hoping that continues.

MLSE cant be this stupid, can they? One trade doesnt overcome 2/7 playoff appearances and horrible decisions within that timeframe.
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They need Colangelo, who else is going to re-up Lowry for an exorbitant price?
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Old 02-28-2013, 01:03 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I've said all along he's not going to be fired. Even Eric Smith who i trust as much as any anyone, surely more that Doug said that from what he's hearing he's going nowhere. And that was before he got Rudy Gay.
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Old 02-28-2013, 01:07 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I think it's a no brainer he gets extended, once the gay trade was done.

look at this roster, the entire team minus demar and our rookies expire within 2 seasons. So you give BC another 2 years and if it doesn't work, you start fresh with potentially 40+ million cap space and a roster of demar, ross, JV and 2-3 more rookie contracts. And I think JV will be a stud by then. So worse comes to worse, BC will leave us in a really good shape which would make the team very attractive to pretty much anybody looking for GM work.
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I think it's a no brainer he gets extended, once the gay trade was done.

look at this roster, the entire team minus demar and our rookies expire within 2 seasons. So you give BC another 2 years and if it doesn't work, you start fresh with potentially 40+ million cap space and a roster of demar, ross, JV and 2-3 more rookie contracts. And I think JV will be a stud by then. So worse comes to worse, BC will leave us in a really good shape which would make the team very attractive to pretty much anybody looking for GM work.
solid post, but he can do a lot of damage in 2 years as well... and maybe starting with a new gm now lets you set the stage for 2 years from now.
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Doesn't surprise me one bit. Not because I think he deserves it, but because ownership is incompetent and has no sense of accountability. I feel increasingly more idiotic devoting time and attention to such a poorly run organization. Give him more time? He's had 7 bungling years.
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do you think we would get much better GM than BC?
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I think it's a no brainer he gets extended, once the gay trade was done.

look at this roster, the entire team minus demar and our rookies expire within 2 seasons. So you give BC another 2 years and if it doesn't work, you start fresh with potentially 40+ million cap space and a roster of demar, ross, JV and 2-3 more rookie contracts. And I think JV will be a stud by then. So worse comes to worse, BC will leave us in a really good shape which would make the team very attractive to pretty much anybody looking for GM work.
I generally agree with this, but I just don't trust BC's basketball judgement.
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do you think we would get much better GM than BC?
not even close, at best we'd get stefanski moving up one seat.
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not even close, at best we'd get stefanski moving up one seat.
That's the problem i have with all these ''fire BC'' posts. Everybody seem to ignore the fact that if we get rid of BC, we would very likely end up with a shittier GM.
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not even close, at best we'd get stefanski moving up one seat.
While that's certainly possible, don't forget that the last time we were looking for a GM we stole the hottest GM in the game while he was still manning a championship contender. In that case, I wish the position wasn't so attractive.
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Old 02-28-2013, 02:07 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Ya, extend him.

Hedo Turkoglu
Jason Kapono
Jamarion Moon
Jermaine O'Neal
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Andrea Bargnani
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That's the problem i have with all these ''fire BC'' posts. Everybody seem to ignore the fact that if we get rid of BC, we would very likely end up with a shittier GM.
I understand the whole stick with the devil you know concept but the who do you replace him with argument is irrelevant here. Why,because you have to take risks to really have a chance at improving. This team has gone downhill since the first season under Colangelo and there's no definite sign they are going in the right direction,they're pretty stagnant. I like Colangelo but the failure to trade Bargnani when it was clear he needed to be moved in the best interest of the team and it's playoff hopes,almost cancels out the greatness of the Rudy Gay trade. Bryan has got some pieces,no doubt about it,but I strongly believe it will take a different leadership group to take this Roster to the next level.
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I think he'll get one more year.

He's going to have serious expectations of not only making the playoffs but being a top 6 team in the east. He'll also be under pressure to let JV actually play since he's our future (and fully capable of starting NOW).

He'll have the summer to do his thing. If we're still trash and underperforming near the trade deadline, you fire him so he can't do anymore damage. Let Stefanski be the temporary GM and spend the rest of the season looking for a replacement.
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I think it's a no brainer he gets extended, once the gay trade was done.

look at this roster, the entire team minus demar and our rookies expire within 2 seasons. So you give BC another 2 years and if it doesn't work, you start fresh with potentially 40+ million cap space and a roster of demar, ross, JV and 2-3 more rookie contracts.
Flawed thinking. Who's to say he doesnt package his young talent for experienced vets with longer contracts to save his job? Do you really trust Colangelo to not sacrifice the future to win now? What has he shown to make you think differently? Lets just keep going with shitty management because we'll have cap space in 2 years, great logic. Fuck that.

Lets make it simple. You're the boss. You hire someone to do a job, and he doesnt do it within the 7 years hes with the organization. Do you extend him?

If we were a winning organization before Colangelo, he would have been gone within 4 years, not 7.
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Flawed thinking. Who's to say he doesnt package his young talent for experienced vets with longer contracts to save his job? Do you really trust Colangelo to not sacrifice the future to win now? What has he shown to make you think differently? Lets just keep going with shitty management because we'll have cap space in 2 years, great logic. Fuck that.

Lets make it simple. You're the boss. You hire someone to do a job, and he doesnt do it within the 7 years hes with the organization. Do you extend him?

If we were a winning organization before Colangelo, he would have been gone within 4 years, not 7.
Probably less than 4 even. I'd say 2.
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This team could really use a reset. I'm not convinced ownership is incompetent. I don't think we've had a chance to see one way or another. Sticking with the staleness of the status quo would make me wonder. Giving him only one more year would make me wonder a little less, but it seems a little pointless, unless they feel that he has a new understanding of what needs to be done and that salesmanship is not what needs to be done. Colangelo with a new ownership with a stronger agenda to win could prove useful, and I could probably live with seeing how that works out if that's the case.
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I understand the whole stick with the devil you know concept but the who do you replace him with argument is irrelevant here. Why,because you have to take risks to really have a chance at improving. This team has gone downhill since the first season under Colangelo and there's no definite sign they are going in the right direction,they're pretty stagnant. I like Colangelo but the failure to trade Bargnani when it was clear he needed to be moved in the best interest of the team and it's playoff hopes,almost cancels out the greatness of the Rudy Gay trade. Bryan has got some pieces,no doubt about it,but I strongly believe it will take a different leadership group to take this Roster to the next level.

What are you talking about? BC's first year he signed Bosh to a 3 year extension, drafts Bargs (ya ya), brings in TJ Ford (by jettisoning CV - woohoo), Garbojosa and Parker. The Raptors then go on to have one of the best turn arounds in NBA history as the team went 47-35, 3rd seed in the East and takes the Atlantic title. BC also won the EOTY. The next year, saw the team bring in Delfino, Moon, Kapono - 3 pt shooting to spread the floor. Major injuries to Bosh, Ford and Garbo and inconsistency from Kapono / Moon / Bargs combine to derail the season. The following 2 years we watch as BC tries to manage the assets that he has to try and placate Bosh. Hedo was a good signing at the time. Most thought he would be that part of the equation to right the ship and help out Bosh. Unfortunately we all know how that worked out (and at least BC got the team out of that mess). And let's be honest, the last year and change saw Bosh mislead the team about his intentions then leaves the team high and dry and we go into rebuild.

First 4 years started off well and then a stream of injuries, pg controversies and Bosh leaving fucked that up. The last 2-1/2 have been a slow rebuild as the team's assets weren't the best and FA's were loathe to sign here. He started a plan 2-1/2 years ago to rebuild and so far, with mixed results, BC's roster looks a helluva lot better than it has since 2006-07.

I expect BC to be here another couple years.....at least.

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I didn't even think there was an option on BC's contract for next year. I believed that a year ago they picked up his option for this season. Could have sworn that was the only option on his deal.
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