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Old 07-09-2010, 11:21 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Hey, for all the “blow it up and start over people out there” I have a question:

Seen the Knicks lately? How’d that all work out for them? Think two years of absolute misery was worth Amare Stoudemire?

And for those who hold up the Oklahoma City Thunder as proof positive that sucking for a long time is worth it, I ask you this:

How many playoff series have they won? And when do you think they’ll come to realize they can’t pay anyone and start moving pieces?

Look, you get good a couple of ways in the NBA. You hit the jackpot with a draft pick out of nowhere, you find some GM to fleece in a trade or your players simply get better and grow up.

The Chicago Bulls couldn’t give Joakim Noah away two years ago, he was an immature kid who didn’t get it, fought with teammate and coaches and now he’s the guy a huge majority of Toronto fans were pining for if Bosh picked the Bulls.

Will any of that happen here? Maybe not.

But sports – thank goodness – is an inexact science, which is why we feel compelled to watch. We can argue and debate and make bold statements this way or that but none of us has any real answers.

And isn’t that the fun part?

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I have to agree to a point. OKC hasn't done shit, just like NO 3-4yrs ago looking like they were gonna be contenders for 5+yrs, and with all their talent where has Portland gone? It's not as simple as "blow it up, look at this or that team". Blowing it up and building through the draft takes luck, patience, great better then most scouting. It's the sexy thing to say build through the draft. IMO you have to build through the draft to a degree, but you also need to add pieces as you go along and have the right veterans around the younger players, essentially building on the fly.
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so, you have to get lucky one way or another? that's the secret? thanks, dougie.

i'd rather take my chances in the draft than hope that demar derozan blooms into another kevin durant.
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so dougie you think Jose and Hedo are gonna switch it up and lead TOronto to the promised land? Think again
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its a brighter future to bust for draft than trusting role players to play leaders
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This is stupid. It can work. Look at Portland. Sure they had so many FA's that wanted mor emoney but by that time you can tell what players are really making your team better and players are just in the depth chart that help you a little. I seriously hope we go for the rebuild but I doubt it's going to happen
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The tool for Maple Leaf Sports Entertainment. Of course MLSE isn't willing to allow a rebuild and tank. They don't care about building a contender. They care about saving money in their pockets. They're not willing to accept somewhat of a loss in revenue for the better of this franchise.
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The tool for Maple Leaf Sports Entertainment. Of course MLSE isn't willing to allow a rebuild and tank. They don't care about building a contender. They care about saving money in their pockets. They're not willing to accept somewhat of a loss in revenue for the better of this franchise.
successful teams make more money than losers. i think they want to win.
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NY's way was "dump everyone, using picks as a grease for trades, and wait for LeBron to sign". Yep, that blew up in their faces.

Yet Miami's approach, roughly the same in execution, worked because of 2 reasons:

1. Better climate, softer city (both fans and media) and the absence of income tax - let's call this "location, location, location" reason.

2. Wade being already there and selling the city to his friends well.

Which proves that there is no right or wrong approach even when you are gutting the team. As for the Raps, the only way of us to ever have a contending team would be to get some high picks in the draft, make sure the team is build well around them and succeeds before they get the chance to look elsewhere. Tough? Absolutely. Unfair compared to what Miami had to do? Absolutely. But such is life.
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so, you have to get lucky one way or another? that's the secret? thanks, dougie.

i'd rather take my chances in the draft than hope that demar derozan blooms into another kevin durant.
So you'd rather take your chances in the draft, rather then hope your draft pick from last year blooms into something?

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This is stupid. It can work. Look at Portland. Sure they had so many FA's that wanted mor emoney but by that time you can tell what players are really making your team better and players are just in the depth chart that help you a little. I seriously hope we go for the rebuild but I doubt it's going to happen
What about Portland, what have they done?
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When your rebuilding you have to accept an intial loss in revenue. MLSE doesn't want to do that. They save money by being mediocre. Thats why we're always stuck trying to retool.
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So you'd rather take your chances in the draft, rather then hope your draft pick from last year blooms into something?

you don't tank to get the 8,9,10 pick. i'm talkin about top 3 picks.
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so dougie you think Jose and Hedo are gonna switch it up and lead TOronto to the promised land? Think again
When did i say that?
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When your rebuilding you have to accept an intial loss in revenue. MLSE doesn't want to do that. They save money by being mediocre. Thats why we're always stuck trying to retool.
what initial loss in revenue? if anything, they make more money buy having a bargain-basement roster.
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NY's way was "dump everyone, using picks as a grease for trades, and wait for LeBron to sign". Yep, that blew up in their faces.

Yet Miami's approach, roughly the same in execution, worked because of 2 reasons:

1. Better climate, softer city (both fans and media) and the absence of income tax - let's call this "location, location, location" reason.

2. Wade being already there and selling the city to his friends well.

Which proves that there is no right or wrong approach even when you are gutting the team. As for the Raps, the only way of us to ever have a contending team would be to get some high picks in the draft, make sure the team is build well around them and succeeds before they get the chance to look elsewhere. Tough? Absolutely. Unfair compared to what Miami had to do? Absolutely. But such is life.
+1 to that broham. Although I don't believe life in general is unfair, I believe all is just and Colangelo is finding his way there. I just hope Riley and his snakish ways get exposed and blow up in his face.
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What about Portland, what have they done?
50 win season and overall beter team then the Raps have ever had. If they were in the east prolly woulda went furthur in the playoffs as well
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you don't tank to get the 8,9,10 pick. i'm talkin about top 3 picks.
We've had a #1 pick. Again, let's say we tank and get a top 3 pick and that pick turns into a Thabeet or Milicic or any other number of top 5 busts. Then what? Continue to tank for 3-4 years hoping you can hit on a superstar and then hope he stays? In theory it all sounds great, but in this market good luck.
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what initial loss in revenue? if anything, they make more money buy having a bargain-basement roster.
maybe if that team gets 8-leaf clover lucky and wins games........

the lakers are paying more for their roster than anyone else in the league, but i can guarantee you that they're making more cheddar than any other franchise.

you really can't compare the money you "make" by throwing together a roster of thrifty contracts with the money you MAKE by winning playoff games.
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50 win season and overall beter team then the Raps have ever had. If they were in the east prolly woulda went furthur in the playoffs as well

What have they done? 50 win team is nice, but very little playoff succcess. I like Portland as a team and if they remained healthy the last few seasons who knows. But the fact remains that it hasn't resulted in more then a couple good regular seasons.
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We've had a #1 pick. Again, let's say we tank and get a top 3 pick and that pick turns into a Thabeet or Milicic or any other number of top 5 busts. Then what? Continue to tank for 3-4 years hoping you can hit on a superstar and then hope he stays? In theory it all sounds great, but in this market good luck.
Next years draft might a have a pretty stacked class. I'm more than willing to take my chances.
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