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Old 01-30-2009, 08:42 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Is Bosh better then KG or Duncan? I would say that he is most skilled big man under 30 years old... still great in my eyes.
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Old 01-30-2009, 08:44 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Is Bosh better then KG or Duncan? I would say that he is most skilled big man under 30 years old... still great in my eyes.
Yep, and because of that, you can make a good argument that he might be the most valuable power forward in the league.
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Old 01-30-2009, 08:52 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Yep, and because of that, you can make a good argument that he might be the most valuable power forward in the league.
Yet there are more than a few people here who would trade him in a heartbeat lol.
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Old 01-30-2009, 08:56 AM   #24 (permalink)
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Yet there are more than a few people here who would trade him in a heartbeat lol.
Yup, Me.


And the value he would bring is never gonna get higher.

So the question is, would this team be better with Bosh, Bargs and Jose?

Or, Bargs, Jose, and a stud young wing and real decent PF and picks and capspace?(ie: Aldridge and Fernandez and Bargs and Jose)
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Old 01-30-2009, 09:04 AM   #25 (permalink)
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Why don't you give a;

Bosh, Jose and "young stud" option.

Or

Bosh, Bargs and "young stud" option.

Because both are much better than the options you gave Snooch.
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Old 01-30-2009, 09:11 AM   #26 (permalink)
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I like Bosh, he is a great player and definitely worth keeping but only if he truly wants to be here... GM's get screwed by holding onto a star player too long... Raps, at one point, were offered AI & Ray Allan for VC but at the end we know what they got for him.

Snooch is right that if Bosh is to be traded, now is the best time... he might stay and everything could be OK but if he ever decides to leave Raps would never get as much back as they would now.
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Old 01-30-2009, 09:28 AM   #27 (permalink)
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i would go w/ tim duncan on this. fundamentals are key. dunks are dunks, but noone can outplay the big fundemental
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Old 01-30-2009, 09:29 AM   #28 (permalink)
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Why don't you give a;

Bosh, Jose and "young stud" option.

Or

Bosh, Bargs and "young stud" option.

Because both are much better than the options you gave Snooch.
It all depends on if you think Bargs is gonna be better than Bosh and how you feel Bargs game is gonna develop.

I am of the beleif that Bargs is going to have a dynamic game based on his variety of skills that will give him a true outside in game. The best pairing for him to maximize that talent is a true bruiser down low. Bosh is not that bruiser and never will be.

Offensivly a Bosh and Bargs duo works, but because of the defensive side of the ball it wont get any better than it is now. Bargs having to gaurd the stronger or more offensivly gifted player is going to take away from his offense. We all know Bosh isnt going to be a defensive Juggernaught, or for that matter improve any over what he is now offensivly, what you see is what your gonna get from Bosh for the next 3 or 4 years untill the decline sets in.
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And to add: Since to 2005-2006 season Bosh is virtually identical in every category.
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Old 01-30-2009, 09:44 AM   #30 (permalink)
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Yup, Me.


And the value he would bring is never gonna get higher.

So the question is, would this team be better with Bosh, Bargs and Jose?

Or, Bargs, Jose, and a stud young wing and real decent PF and picks and capspace?(ie: Aldridge and Fernandez and Bargs and Jose)
Or bring back Hassan Adams to start at the 2.
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Old 01-30-2009, 09:49 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Or bring back Hassan Adams to start at the 2.
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Old 01-30-2009, 10:00 AM   #32 (permalink)
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Or bring back Hassan Adams to start at the 2.


Smartass.......












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Old 01-30-2009, 10:47 AM   #33 (permalink)
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Old 01-30-2009, 11:06 AM   #34 (permalink)
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Amare.
Who is pretty much the same as Bosh.... except more of a dick.
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Old 01-30-2009, 11:12 AM   #35 (permalink)
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All i know is that wehn we loose Bosh (if we do) then all you guys who "hate him" for some reason are going to be crying for him to come back. At this point with out him our team is nothing....NOTHING. He is the most consistant player, to scorer, top rebounder. All who dont like Bosh can eat
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Old 01-30-2009, 11:46 AM   #36 (permalink)
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Honestly, all BS aside. I like Bosh, he's a great player and I'm glad he's on my team. Best big guy??? I dunno, Howard is retty amazing in that his sheer size changes a lot of the game before he even moves or touches a ball.

A nice way to compare is to watch them play each other. Neither can guard the other. Both dominate in thier own way.

Both have ways of changing the game. And it can get really complicated so I'm not gonna get into it. However, Thrille rmad e aood point, and it has to do with crunchtime and Play off ball. When the chips are on the line, the high percentage basket is from 2 feet. So Howard has an edge there, EXCEPT, most game winners are Jumpshots, so give an edge to Bosh.

Bosh must work to become more deadly from 17 feet, automatic. And he has to learn to shake slightly smaller faster guys to open up that shot. If he doesn't, Howard will always have the edge as Bosh is having a hard time getting a nice look when it counts. He's been a big is whol elife and only in the last few years has become a shooting big. He may take a few more years to develope that part of his game fully. I hope we have him when he does.

I always talk about wanting Howard if I have my choice. Thats me though, I like a traditional lineup, and in my philosphy, and masive and skilled center is integral for dong what I wanna do. I am a huge Jackson Triangle fan, and I like traditional motion ofences. On defence, i like that anchor. But i know a clever guy like Bosh can take a guy like Howard and kill him on offence and also get him in foul trouble when he is aggressive.

It's a really fun debate. But listen. If you're a fan of either. Or of Dirk, or an up and comer like Bynum, or and old guy like shaq. Just be happy, and enjoy the big guy you have, were all lucky to have talents like this on our team.....
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Honestly, all BS aside. I like Bosh, he's a great player and I'm glad he's on my team. Best big guy??? I dunno, Howard is retty amazing in that his sheer size changes a lot of the game before he even moves or touches a ball.

A nice way to compare is to watch them play each other. Neither can guard the other. Both dominate in thier own way.

Both have ways of changing the game. And it can get really complicated so I'm not gonna get into it. However, Thrille rmad e aood point, and it has to do with crunchtime and Play off ball. When the chips are on the line, the high percentage basket is from 2 feet. So Howard has an edge there, EXCEPT, most game winners are Jumpshots, so give an edge to Bosh.

Bosh must work to become more deadly from 17 feet, automatic. And he has to learn to shake slightly smaller faster guys to open up that shot. If he doesn't, Howard will always have the edge as Bosh is having a hard time getting a nice look when it counts. He's been a big is whol elife and only in the last few years has become a shooting big. He may take a few more years to develope that part of his game fully. I hope we have him when he does.

I always talk about wanting Howard if I have my choice. Thats me though, I like a traditional lineup, and in my philosphy, and masive and skilled center is integral for dong what I wanna do. I am a huge Jackson Triangle fan, and I like traditional motion ofences. On defence, i like that anchor. But i know a clever guy like Bosh can take a guy like Howard and kill him on offence and also get him in foul trouble when he is aggressive.

It's a really fun debate. But listen. If you're a fan of either. Or of Dirk, or an up and comer like Bynum, or and old guy like shaq. Just be happy, and enjoy the big guy you have, were all lucky to have talents like this on our team.....
Since when did you become Mr. Political.

I expected a war of words from you supporting one side or the other along with a few "jackals" thrown in for good measure.


I am very disapointed SJ.............
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Old 01-30-2009, 11:59 AM   #38 (permalink)
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Nah,

If I don't behave our special members (Mods) wil ge angry and put red sentences in for me.

Problem ius, almost everytime I post an intelligent and insightful post, I get about two replies, one where the guy insults me and misses the point entirely, and another.... that says +1.

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If I don't behave our special members (Mods) wil ge angry and put red sentences in for me.
Come on SJ .... I expect more from you. Talk shit with the usual suspects but don't get aggressive with the members that don't know you well enough.
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Nah,

If I don't behave our special members (Mods) wil ge angry and put red sentences in for me.

Problem ius, almost everytime I post an intelligent and insightful post, I get about two replies, one where the guy insults me and misses the point entirely, and another.... that says +1.

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