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Old 12-31-2009, 12:28 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Lord knows I've been on his ass since Day 1 so I have to "man up" and give credit where credit is due....

If it were left to all of us on this board the coaching staff would have been fired by now and the entire team would have been dismantled in a firesale of epic proportions lol....

... but BC has stuck to his guns and weathered the early storm... and it looks like things are moving in a good direction now.

Make no mistake... I'm still wavering a bit on his ability to make BIG deals (Hedo, Bargs) and I question the way that he gives away draft picks constantly... but he's definitely proved that he can find value in minor trades and he's made a lot of GMs look stupid in doing so.

Belli for George.... Amir & Weems for Ukic & Delfino... even getting Banks in the Marion trade is looking like a decent deal in spite of his contract.

It's definitely been the "little things" that have made all the difference in this team and when you consider the fact that a lot of these players are very young (24 or under) it gives me hope moving forward.

Now if he can just convince Bosh to stay.....
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Old 12-31-2009, 12:32 PM   #2 (permalink)
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The real question is if he wants to keep Bosh around or if he has other plans for the franchise.

Sway out Bosh with a JJ or soething he may think is better.
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I've always liked BC, although at the start of this year I got mad that things weren't working out. He has done a good job with this team though and I know we can better. Of we do.....


BC 4 EXEC OF THE YEAR
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Old 12-31-2009, 01:10 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Now if he can just convince Bosh to stay.....
I'd like to see Bosh convince Colangelo to want to stick with him. hee hee...
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Old 12-31-2009, 01:31 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I've always liked Bryan Colangelo. And this thing about him giving away picks is way blow out of proportion as far as i'm concerned. Since coming here 3.5 years ago, he has picked Derozan/Bargnani, and has aquired some young talented 1st round picks that have some experience (ie: Amir (22), Beli(23), Jack (25)- all 1st round picks) so imo he's done just fine. I still question keeping Triano though.

His smaller moves have impressed me the most:

Hump for Arujo
Evans for Kapono
Delfino for 2 second rounders
Beli for George

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Old 12-31-2009, 01:35 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I'd like to see Bosh convince Colangelo to want to stick with him. hee hee...
I think being the most efficient scorer in the league and one of the best rebounders in the league is good enough (especially O rebounds). He gets to the line at will for easy points and commands double teams on a nightly basis.

Not to mention he's elevated his game since last season and his ceiling right now has no limit if he's willing to continue his offseason work.
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Old 12-31-2009, 01:40 PM   #7 (permalink)
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WOW

a 5 game win streak and people are starting "Give credit" and "appreciation" threads when about 3 weeks ago people were starting "Fire BC or BC fucked this team up" ... "trade this guy" and shit threads

You people make me sick!

and its not directed at the people posted above me but everyone else whos going to read this post and has created or added to the FIRE/TRADE/SO AND SO SUCKS/THIS TEAM SUCKS threads
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Old 12-31-2009, 01:57 PM   #8 (permalink)
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well.. I always felt that BC is one of the best General Managers in the NBA
he is so active...

he won Executive of the year twice.. so he is well respected, when he calls other GM's to discuss deals or trades, I am pretty sure they pick up that phone..

even if he makes moves and it doesn't work out... It's still good that he is even able to make moves and be as active..

other GM's don't do anything at all.. they just wait and wait....

when he got Jermaine O'Neil, every one thought that it was a good deal.. but it didn't work out, but BC was still able to make up for it
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Old 12-31-2009, 02:58 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Meh, I'm still not a fan of this teams structure in the overall scheme of things. We're a poorly built offensive team who has improved defensively off the bench now with Weems joining Johnson as defensive threats, but we have no chance as of right now to do anything in the playoffs.

We're tied up financially to 3 ONE WAY players in Bargs Hedo and Jose, with only one of those players having the potential to improve on defence especially (Bargs) but also offensively if he really puts the work into it. None of them are really tradeable at this point without taking something far worse back(unless a miracle happens) so we're stuck on a treadmill at this moment in time.

BCs too fucking stubborn for his own good trying to create an offensive juggernaut without looking at what wins in the league, DEFENCE AND REBOUNDING. He tried to build a PHX type team without the top 5 PG. Hes failed in his time here to build a contending team around Bosh.

We're in the same position now that we were in yr 1 with him. He came in with cap space and a number one pick and we're still a 1st rd team, but with longterm deals and no flexibility.

BC has failed the city of Toronto at this point. We're going to bow out in the 1st rd again, and what can he really do in the offseason to make us a contender with 2 guys(starters) who we cant trade and hamper our chances of winning in the playoffs in Bargs and Hedo, and another guy who doesnt fit in the starting lineup in Jose who cant play a lick of defence either? We're screwed for the next 2-3 years barring a miracle.

We're 15 yrs into this shitty franchise and we still havent had a 5 yr run where we knew we had a chance of winning a couple of rounds and knew we had a very solid 'contending' team.

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To Thriller: harsh, but mostly accurate. I too feel that this team is not getting past the top four barring a miracle. However, I do believe that with a different coach and different defensive philosophy, these same players could be performing much better on defence. So, really, at this point I'd mostly complain about BC retaining Triano to coach this team.
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what have we won under BC
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Old 12-31-2009, 05:13 PM   #12 (permalink)
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5 games in a row? Atlantic division?
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Old 12-31-2009, 05:25 PM   #13 (permalink)
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To Thriller: harsh, but mostly accurate. I too feel that this team is not getting past the top four barring a miracle. However, I do believe that with a different coach and different defensive philosophy, these same players could be performing much better on defence. So, really, at this point I'd mostly complain about BC retaining Triano to coach this team.
Mike.... Considering the fact that this is Triano's FIRST full season I don't think that he's doing too badly... esp. considering the fact that he's had to deal with 10 new players.

I get the feeling that if Jeff Van Gundy had been hired and coached the last 5 games everyone would be ROARING with pleasure and giving him all the credit....

Let's be real here... if Triano took the brunt of the blame for our bad losses then he DEFINITELY deserves his share of the credit for these wins (and our improved defensive play).

IF he ends up coaching this squad to 45 wins and a playoff berth I don't see how ANYONE can have a problem with him TBH.
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Old 12-31-2009, 05:26 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Ummmmm I think it was his first season on the job when he won exec of the year, sam mitchell won coach of the year, and we won our first Atlantic Division title..... I think it was something like that.


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Ummmmm I think it was his first season on the job when he won exec of the year, sam mitchell won coach of the year, and we won our first Atlantic Division title..... I think it was something like that.


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Five wins in a row?
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Let's be real here... if Triano took the brunt of the blame for our bad losses then he DEFINITELY deserves his share of the credit for these wins (and our improved defensive play).
It's like that season when the Vince-less Raps won 12 of their last 13 to get into the playoffs and give Detroit a run for their money, except I doubt this group is capable of the latter against the elite four - the last 5 games were against weaker teams (aside from Charlotte, perhaps). It's easier to "improve defensively" against a weaker opponent, wouldn't you agree?
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It's like that season when the Vince-less Raps won 12 of their last 13 to get into the playoffs and give Detroit a run for their money, except I doubt this group is capable of the latter against the elite four - the last 5 games were against weaker teams (aside from Charlotte, perhaps). It's easier to "improve defensively" against a weaker opponent, wouldn't you agree?
I don't think that either CHA or DET (the 2nd time) were really "weak teams".... but I get your meaning and I'd agree.

Still.... beating a weak team by 3 pts is one thing... lambasting them by 20 or 30 is another.

I know you still have a hard-on for Messina Mike, but there's absolutely no guarantee that a new coach like him would be any better with a brand new roster.

I just hope that people won't start screaming if/when we lose a game that we're "supposed to lose" (i.e. SA or ORL).
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No GM is perfect and BC is tied up being under the salary cap every year by the board.
As has been said we have 10 new players with most outshining the old ones realistcally are Ukie, Parker, Moon, Kapono, Graham and Hump better than Belinni, Weems, DD, Jack, Amir,Wright,Evans and Rasho?
Turk & Marian a wash different skill sets but about equal in value....but if the had resigned Marian most of the other moves couldn't have been made.
Traded POPS got him back.

We will be a slight plus on the 500 side by year end with 5th seed but the group is basically young and talanted. If we lose Bosh we can get Boozer, Amare, Lee to replace him not quite as good but close and at less than what Bosh is currently making.

Yes Wright isn't the best but then even the Lakers have deadwood.

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As has been said we have 10 new players with most outshining the old ones realistcally are Ukie, Parker, Moon, Kapono, Graham and Hump better than Belinni, Weems, DD, Jack, Amir,Wright,Evans and Rasho?

You're saying last years bench which included Ukic/Kapono/Graham/Moon/Hump is better then what we have now?
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