Could Raptors cut Bargnani?
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Old 12-09-2011, 12:56 PM   #3 (permalink)
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i don't think they will cut him, trade him for sure this year or the next, but for sure he is gone. i hope !!!
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Could Raptors cut Bargnani?
Here are five surprise candidates on which teams could use the amnesty clause
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By Tom Haberstroh
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Andrea Bargnani could be looking for a new home sometime soon.
Consider the amnesty provision in the new CBA as the "Undo" button for general managers. Under league rules, each franchise can pick regretful contract and -- poof! -- make it vanish into thin air.

Although owners will still have to pay the contract to the player, the clause offers relief against the cap and the tax line -- an important detail because the amnesty provision in the previous CBA deal only provided relief against the tax. Further, not every team will use the provision, nor will they be forced to use it this year, but it's only human nature for the decision-makers to have an itchy trigger finger on their bad deals.

And the amnesty action already is beginning. But interestingly enough, the first two rumored candidates are catching the NBA world by surprise, reminding everyone to expect the unexpected when it comes to the NBA.The first amnesty casualty appears to be Richard Jefferson. The San Antonio Spurs decided they would rather spend $30 million over the next three years to watch the 31-year-old play for someone else than for them. While the release raised some eyebrows, he was certainly a candidate for amnesty  our own Marc Stein and Chad Ford named him as such.

In retrospect, Jefferson seems like the perfect amnesty cocktail: over the hill, pricey and pricey for a long time. But was Chauncey Billups expected to be the next amnesty domino to fall? Yeah, that blindsided everyone. Just a season removed from an All-Star appearance, Billups posted an 18.9 PER over 72 games in 2010-11 which translates to 8.9 estimated wins added (EWA). All that value -- poof!

If Billups indeed gets the boot, then all bets are off. The Jefferson waive actually makes some sense given that he has three years remaining, but with a $14.2 expiring contract Billups was only expensive for this season. The amnesty provision has suddenly become a lot more interesting than we originally thought. Baron Davis? Sure. Rashard Lewis? Not a shock. DeSagana Diop? Probably.

Sure, those guys are the usual suspects, but with Jefferson and Billups getting the pink-slips, we have to recalibrate our amnesty radar. Who are some other darkhorse amnesty candidates that could be next to fall? Here are five:

1. Andrea Bargnani, Toronto Raptors
Remaining contract: 4 years, $41.5 million


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The Bargnani contract reeks of dissonance. If the Raptors drafted him No. 10 and not No. 1, would they feel differently about using the amnesty? As a business venture, organizations should strip their emotional ties to players and view the contracts as cold, hard assets. And an impartial viewer would look at a player like Bargnani and likely conclude that his contract is plain awful.

Sure, he averaged 21.4 points per game last season, but he also needed 17.8 shots per game to get there. Not to mention he may be the worst defender and the most pathetic rebounder for his size. But irrational sentimentality will most likely keep him in Toronto.

2. Emeka Okafor, New Orleans Hornets
Remaining contract: 3 years, $40.9 million


Okafor
When the famous trade-that-never-was went down on Thursday night, the word "Okafor" was trending worldwide on Twitter. That's odd because he wasn't even involved in the trade. Perhaps the world was just confused as to why the Hornets wouldn't demand that his deadweight contract be included in the deal.

The presumed frontline of Luis Scola and Lamar Odom in New Orleans would squeeze Okafor out of the starting lineup, leaving his $12.6 million salary next season to soak up a ton of cap room. One explanation? They could amnesty Okafor, freeing up some flexibility to go after a premier free agent. But the available premier free agents are all big men -- not an area of need anymore. Was a second deal in the works?

3. Kirk Hinrich, Atlanta Hawks
Remaining contract: One year, $8 million


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Most logical amnesty candidates are contracts that extend past this season. With that said, the Billups amnesty shows that it's possible for expiring contracts to be targeted if a franchise altering player is on the way. Should the Hawks be truly interested in shedding a cumbersome deal then they should focus their attention to the eventual Joe Johnson albatross.

Something tells us that isn't in the works just yet. But with a blossoming Jeff Teague in the fold and some trade buzz circling Josh Smith, the Hawks could look to free up some cash in order to land a free agent center after dealing their talented and temperamental power forward. Keep a close eye on this squad.

4. Steve Blake, Los Angeles Lakers
Remaining contract: 3 years, $12 million


Blake
If the trade-that-never-was actually goes through, then the Lakers will suddenly have a glut of point guards and an incredibly bare frontline. In this scenario, the Lakers would be wise to keep some Chris Paul knee insurance, but they don't need two backup point guards due a combined $20 million for the future. The Lakers could look at Luke Walton or Ron Artest as their amnesty candidates but they would need bodies up front and as scary as it sounds, Walton could be their starting power forward. Yes, the same guy who averaged 1.7 points per game last season. Starter material.

5. Mo Williams, Los Angeles Clippers
Remaining contract: 2 years, $19 million


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Truth be told, the real amnesty candidate on the Clippers is Caron Butler. Alas, the rule does not allow teams to cut bait on players signed after the CBA was ratified, meaning Butler does not qualify. And that's a shame because they could probably use a mulligan as soon as the ink dries on his $24 million contract.

But using Billups as an example, Williams isn't really the future of this young team and is ostensibly functions a placeholder for Eric Bledsoe or whomever the Clippers eye in a trade. Pressure to upgrade at the point guard position will be mounting with Paul potentially dancing for someone else on the Clippers' shared floor. Like Billups, Williams could become a casualty no one saw coming a few weeks ago.
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i don't think they will cut him, trade him for sure this year or the next, but for sure he is gone. i hope !!!
Far from a sure thing. But if he frustrates Casey enough he'll be gone. IMO Bargnani is closing in on his last chance as a raptor to prove he can be effective away from the ball. Time to shit or get off the pot or just find a new pot!
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That would be a pretty short sighted move and one the team would regret.

If these are the pearls of wisdom one pays for, i'll echo what Jackson said a few days back: ESPN ain't all that great.
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It's a very weak article.... and it's not gonna happen.
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Far from a sure thing. But if he frustrates Casey enough he'll be gone. IMO Bargnani is closing in on his last chance as a raptor to prove he can be effective away from the ball. Time to shit or get off the pot or just find a new pot!
how long does a team have to amnesty a player?
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i think the duration of the CBA as long as they were signed before the agreement
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how long does a team have to amnesty a player?
as long as this CBA is in force.
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That would be a pretty short sighted move and one the team would regret.

If these are the pearls of wisdom one pays for, i'll echo what Jackson said a few days back: ESPN ain't all that great.
Meh, I like ESPN. But I agree this won't happen, nor should it. IMO you can trade him for some value. And if they want to deal him and aren't getting what they want then they may have to decide wether or not to use it. BC will sit on the Amnesty for just this purpose.
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I could see him gone if another big time player would sign... creating some cap room. but thats for 2012
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That would be a pretty short sighted move and one the team would regret.

If these are the pearls of wisdom one pays for, i'll echo what Jackson said a few days back: ESPN ain't all that great.
i think haberstroh is the worst of the worst.

on that note, if the hinrich amnesty had any validity to it, i'd be ringing them up looking to see if they'd take Calderon +++. i know they were interested in jose a few seasons ago and the hawks really need a distributor on their team. oh to dream. kirk expires next year and he'd probably be an ideal candidate for helping out casey on the defensive end.
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he could be traded if anything, we wont lose him for nothing
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No way as much as I want Bargs gone, it would be stupid. Fact it is, he still has value in the league and i bet we can get assets back for him. I mean BC isn't even shopping him right now, that would be so stupid to amnesty him.
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Can't see that happening. We've invested a lot of time, energy and money into Bargs. He's our main guy now. Can't see BC letting Bargs go unless something really nice is coming back. Also, not sure how many 20+ PPG guys would be willing to stay in Toronto long-term like Bargs.
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Speaking of Okafor.... I'm really starting to wonder why a guy like him is considered "dead weight", while a a guy like Chandler is just about to sign a massive contract.

Both guys are 29 years old and if you look at the career numbers of both players they're roughly the same (Okafor's is actually a bit better). Both are also "legit C's" who excel defensively. Okafor has only missed 10 games in the last 4 seasons while Chandler has missed almost 90. Both are always among the league-leaders when it comes to shotblocking.

If guys like Nene and Chandler and Gasol are going to get paid huge money I really wonder if teams will start to look at Emeka a bit harder. On the right team and in the right system he could be an ideal piece to the puzzle.

The mad scientist in me wonders how he'd look here (instead of Bargs) under Casey.
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Speaking of Okafor.... I'm really starting to wonder why a guy like him is considered "dead weight", while a a guy like Chandler is just about to sign a massive contract.

Both guys are 29 years old and if you look at the career numbers of both players they're roughly the same (Okafor's is actually a bit better). Both are also "legit C's" who excel defensively. Okafor has only missed 10 games in the last 4 seasons while Chandler has missed almost 90. Both are always among the league-leaders when it comes to shotblocking.

If guys like Nene and Chandler and Gasol are going to get paid huge money I really wonder if teams will start to look at Emeka a bit harder. On the right team and in the right system he could be an ideal piece to the puzzle.

The mad scientist in me wonders how he'd look here (instead of Bargs) under Casey.
i think people look away because of his height (even though 6'10 is not that big of a difference) and his reputation of being in crappy teams. you are right, he is a very undervalued player
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The mad scientist in me wonders how he'd look here under Casey.

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he's too much of a core player and relied on by this team to even be close to being amnestied
like it or not he's probably the next player after demar if you're listing the franchise players on this team
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